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STL loves BUF centers

Créé par: Blues4Life
Date de création initiale: jun 10, 2021
Publié: 13 jun à 20 h 20
Équipe: 2021-22 Blues de St-Louis
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Kyrou, Jordan11 500 000 $
Sanford, Zachary11 500 000 $
Barbashev, Ivan21 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Bozak, Tyler13 000 000 $
Hoffman, Mike34 000 000 $
Transactions
STL
  1. Eichel, Jack
BUF
  1. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
  2. Thomas, Robert [Droits de RFA]
  3. Hofer, Joel
  4. Alexandrov, Nikita
  5. 2021 1e round pick (STL)
STL
  1. 2023 7e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Clifford, Kyle
STL
    SEA
    1. Scandella, Marco
    2. Sanford, Zachary
    3. 2021 3e round pick (STL)
    ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
    2021
    STL
    STL
    DET
    2022
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    2023
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    STL
    TOR
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2281 500 000 $80 707 182 $306 349 $1 675 000 $792 818 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    STL
    Schenn, Brayden
    6 500 000 $
    C, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 7
    BUF
    Eichel, Jack
    10 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 5
    STL
    Tarasenko, Vladimir
    7 500 000 $
    AD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Hoffman, Mike
    4 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    STL
    O'Reilly, Ryan
    7 500 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Perron, David
    4 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Blais, Samuel
    1 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    STL
    Bozak, Tyler
    3 000 000 $
    C, AD
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Kyrou, Jordan
    1 500 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 2
    STL
    Barbashev, Ivan
    1 500 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Sundqvist, Oskar
    2 750 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
    STL
    Kostin, Klim
    863 333 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    STL
    Krug, Torey
    6 500 000 $
    DG
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    STL
    Faulk, Justin
    6 500 000 $
    DG/DD
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    STL
    Binnington, Jordan
    6 000 000 $
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 6
    STL
    Mikkola, Niko
    787 500 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    STL
    Parayko, Colton
    5 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Husso, Ville
    750 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Walman, Jake
    725 000 $
    DG
    RFA - 1
    STL
    Bortuzzo, Robert
    1 375 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    STL
    MacEachern, Mackenzie
    900 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    STL
    Santini, Steven
    750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2

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    13 jun à 20 h 28
    #1
    Lets go Buffalo
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    ROR trade sorry Buffalo says no, the burn from that trade is still felt. If I were GM, St. Louis would have to make an huge overpay.
    Buffalojonny a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 20 h 30
    #2
    Rejoint: jui 2017
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    nothing of interest there...Sabres hang up
    sabres89 et Buffalojonny a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 20 h 44
    #3
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    Quoting: Sabresfan7
    ROR trade sorry Buffalo says no, the burn from that trade is still felt. If I were GM, St. Louis would have to make an huge overpay.


    Your team is a revolving door of players that don't want to play in Buffalo you're the third most popular nhl team in your state. You got the most you could of for O'Reilly and you squandered the assets from the trade. Call it even for that abysmal trade involving Ryan Miller who showed up and actually made the team significantly worst. Very few teams out there are looking for a 10 million dollar center.
    palhal et gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 20 h 51
    #4
    Lets go Buffalo
    Rejoint: mai 2019
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    As I recall the Ryan Miller trade was a wash, I thought Miller played ok for Blues it is not like we got any super players in return for Miller so even trade.
    Buffalojonny a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 21 h 01
    #5
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    Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
    Your team is a revolving door of players that don't want to play in Buffalo you're the third most popular nhl team in your state. You got the most you could of for O'Reilly and you squandered the assets from the trade. Call it even for that abysmal trade involving Ryan Miller who showed up and actually made the team significantly worst. Very few teams out there are looking for a 10 million dollar center.


    What are you taking about?
    JokiStan et Buffalojonny a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 21 h 17
    #6
    Démarrer sujet
    Blues4Life
    Rejoint: jun 2016
    Messages: 74
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    Quoting: Lenny54
    nothing of interest there...Sabres hang up



    Care to explain? Top 4 LHD, young #2C, potential #1 goalie who has impressive numbers, recent top pick along with a first rounder. Pretty good for someone paid $10 mil with a neck injury who wants out of BUF
    13 jun à 21 h 19
    #7
    Dawn for GM imo
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    Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
    Your team is a revolving door of players that don't want to play in Buffalo you're the third most popular nhl team in your state. You got the most you could of for O'Reilly and you squandered the assets from the trade. Call it even for that abysmal trade involving Ryan Miller who showed up and actually made the team significantly worst. Very few teams out there are looking for a 10 million dollar center.


    Do you have a concussion or something? What are you on about?
    13 jun à 21 h 22
    #8
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    Quoting: Blues4Life
    Care to explain? Top 4 LHD, young #2C, potential #1 goalie who has impressive numbers, recent top pick along with a first rounder. Pretty good for someone paid $10 mil with a neck injury who wants out of BUF


    I don’t think it’s bad. LHD are the last thing they need. They are about to add their 5th u23 LD when they draft power.
    Buffalojonny et gretzkyghosts a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 21 h 32
    #9
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    What are you taking about?


    Quoting: JokiStan
    Do you have a concussion or something? What are you on about?


    Which part exactly do you need me to explain?
    13 jun à 21 h 34
    #10
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    Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
    Which part exactly do you need me to explain?

    Ryan Miller was bad In St Louis, so I don’t understand that point. Sabres have the 3rd highest TV ratings, so I would say they are popular in the state of New York. A lot of teams will be interested in Eichel. Since making 10 million dollars he’s played 121 games and has 168 points.
    Buffalojonny et JokiStan a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 21 h 44
    #11
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    Quoting: Blues4Life
    Care to explain? Top 4 LHD, young #2C, potential #1 goalie who has impressive numbers, recent top pick along with a first rounder. Pretty good for someone paid $10 mil with a neck injury who wants out of BUF


    Thomas has shown as much as Mittelstadt
    We don't need another LHD
    2 B-prospects Alexandrov projected to be a middle 6 player at best and Tofer a NHL back-up at best
    STL just doesn't have the prospect pool to contend with other teams

    As for Eichel's injury...not saying he didn't/doesn't have a herniated disk but I still think it's more a ploy he's using to get out of dodge. Bet he never has surgery and is ready day one to go.
    Buffalojonny a aimé ceci.
    13 jun à 22 h 00
    #12
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    Quoting: Sabres923
    Ryan Miller was bad In St Louis, so I don’t understand that point. Sabres have the 3rd highest TV ratings, so I would say they are popular in the state of New York. A lot of teams will be interested in Eichel. Since making 10 million dollars he’s played 121 games and has 168 points.


    Ryan Miller was absolutely terrible in St. Louis. Went 10-8 to finish the season. He was seen as the missing link for us to win the playoffs. He followed it up with going 2-4 on the playoffs and a .897 sv%.

    The issue isn't Eichel's performance. It's that his cap hit is 12+% of his teams cap. Few teams can afford it and once you get him, you put all your eggs in one basket. It's the same reason why the oilers and Toronto will continue to get no where in the playoffs
    13 jun à 22 h 13
    #13
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    Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
    Ryan Miller was absolutely terrible in St. Louis. Went 10-8 to finish the season. He was seen as the missing link for us to win the playoffs. He followed it up with going 2-4 on the playoffs and a .897 sv%.

    The issue isn't Eichel's performance. It's that his cap hit is 12+% of his teams cap. Few teams can afford it and once you get him, you put all your eggs in one basket. It's the same reason why the oilers and Toronto will continue to get no where in the playoffs


    That’s easy to fix. Take another teams short term dump in the trade to make the money work. Don’t take less then what you should get for Eichel (within reason, Beck injury and such) because of cap hits. That can always be ironed out
    Buffalojonny a aimé ceci.
    14 jun à 4 h 06
    #14
    mokumboi
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    No thank you.
    14 jun à 21 h 00
    #15
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    Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
    Your team is a revolving door of players that don't want to play in Buffalo you're the third most popular nhl team in your state. You got the most you could of for O'Reilly and you squandered the assets from the trade. Call it even for that abysmal trade involving Ryan Miller who showed up and actually made the team significantly worst. Very few teams out there are looking for a 10 million dollar center.
    You have an accurate assessment of the situation in Buffalo.

    Murray messed the the Miller trade after extracting a kings ransom for Miller.
    He did really well as you indicated to get a first, third, William Carrier, Chris Stewart, and Jaroslav Halak,
    Instead of just moving Halak for a decent pick he added a third to get Michal Neuvirth and cap dump Rostislav Klesla. Neuvirth is out of hockey and Klesla never reported to the Sabres.
    He could have picked up 2 seconds for Stewart from Boston early in the season but instead settled for second at the TDL from Minnesota.
    He flipped the first with Myers, Drew Stafford, Brendan Lemieux, Joel Armia to get Bogosian and Kane.
    Kane was as distraction in Buffalo and Bogosian has been a 7th defenseman for the Bolts and Leafs while Myers was given a $6,000,000 until 2024.
    Today, I wish he had waited and let Armia. Lemieux and the first round pick develop, keep Myers and traded Stafford for picks who still had talent as he had 21 goals in '15-'16 compared to Kane's 20.

    Unfortunately, the Blues had to get past the eventual cup champs Hawks and while it was looking great for the Blues when Miller won the first two games in OT, they lost the next four.

    As for the O'Reilly trade, it seems everyone forgets that the Blues were in last place on January third and were discussing breaking up the team at the TDL until Binnington saved the season.
    Let me add, up to the Boston series, O'Reilly had the worse +/- of players on teams until the semifinals.
    So if Binnington does not save the season, most people would have thought Buffalo "RAPED" the Blues in both trades and you said, would never have made another trade with Buffalo.

    As a Blues fan do you have the same recollection that I do?
    GMTD a aimé ceci.
    15 jun à 11 h 03
    #16
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    Quoting: gretzkyghosts
    You have an accurate assessment of the situation in Buffalo.

    Murray messed the the Miller trade after extracting a kings ransom for Miller.
    He did really well as you indicated to get a first, third, William Carrier, Chris Stewart, and Jaroslav Halak,
    Instead of just moving Halak for a decent pick he added a third to get Michal Neuvirth and cap dump Rostislav Klesla. Neuvirth is out of hockey and Klesla never reported to the Sabres.
    He could have picked up 2 seconds for Stewart from Boston early in the season but instead settled for second at the TDL from Minnesota.
    He flipped the first with Myers, Drew Stafford, Brendan Lemieux, Joel Armia to get Bogosian and Kane.
    Kane was as distraction in Buffalo and Bogosian has been a 7th defenseman for the Bolts and Leafs while Myers was given a $6,000,000 until 2024.
    Today, I wish he had waited and let Armia. Lemieux and the first round pick develop, keep Myers and traded Stafford for picks who still had talent as he had 21 goals in '15-'16 compared to Kane's 20.

    Unfortunately, the Blues had to get past the eventual cup champs Hawks and while it was looking great for the Blues when Miller won the first two games in OT, they lost the next four.

    As for the O'Reilly trade, it seems everyone forgets that the Blues were in last place on January third and were discussing breaking up the team at the TDL until Binnington saved the season.
    Let me add, up to the Boston series, O'Reilly had the worse +/- of players on teams until the semifinals.
    So if Binnington does not save the season, most people would have thought Buffalo "RAPED" the Blues in both trades and you said, would never have made another trade with Buffalo.

    As a Blues fan do you have the same recollection that I do?


    Buffalo got a kings ransom for Miller who was clearly declining. That being said, the trade could have been monumental for Buffalo to return to the days of 09-10 season for them. I think they chose correctly in trading with Washington, they just happened to get the wrong goalie in the deal, they should have gotten Grubaeur. As far as Stewart goes, he was showing early signs of being a 1st round bust. But he was more valuable than the 2nd they got in return. IMO the bigger issue is that the 2017 draft had very little value in terms of 2nd round picks. As far as the rest, its almost complete mismanagement. While I like Kane, his off ice issues make me never want to put him on my team.

    For the ROR trade Thompson and both picks have yet to pan out and I am seeing a lot of positivity from them. I would have argued with Armstrong that I wouldn't want Sobotka as part of the deal and taken any other forward but both teams were trying to move players that they realistically didn't see resigning.

    The other thing to remember is that Buffalo paid little to nothing to get ROR.
    Zadarov, teetering between 2nd and 3rd line D pair.
    Grigorenko who has mostly played in the KHL.
    A 2015 pick that has yet to play in the NHL.
    And Compher who actually would be providing value to Buffalo right now playing as a mid 6 forward.

    So in the end they flipped ROR for good future's and they did so realizing that they were unlikely to resign him. I dont think Buffalo felt robbed until he won the Conn Smyth and they were hosting the cup.

    As far as Binnington goes, you should see that trade tree. We traded away our captain for a 3rd round pick to Tampa and ended up getting him for that. And the only reason we ever got Brewer is because the team owners didn't want to pay Chris Pronger's salary so they dumped him to Edmonton for highway robbery.
    We got Jeff Woywitka who put up 6 goals and 31 assists in 3 seasons.
    Doug Lynch ??? Who ??? Played a grand total of 2 nhl games.
    And Brewer, for Chris PRONGER.

    Overall, I think Buffalo made out fine on the ROR trade and both teams make great trade partners.
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    15 jun à 22 h 57
    #17
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    Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
    Buffalo got a kings ransom for Miller who was clearly declining. That being said, the trade could have been monumental for Buffalo to return to the days of 09-10 season for them. I think they chose correctly in trading with Washington, they just happened to get the wrong goalie in the deal, they should have gotten Grubaeur. As far as Stewart goes, he was showing early signs of being a 1st round bust. But he was more valuable than the 2nd they got in return. IMO the bigger issue is that the 2017 draft had very little value in terms of 2nd round picks. As far as the rest, its almost complete mismanagement. While I like Kane, his off ice issues make me never want to put him on my team.

    For the ROR trade Thompson and both picks have yet to pan out and I am seeing a lot of positivity from them. I would have argued with Armstrong that I wouldn't want Sobotka as part of the deal and taken any other forward but both teams were trying to move players that they realistically didn't see resigning.

    The other thing to remember is that Buffalo paid little to nothing to get ROR.
    Zadarov, teetering between 2nd and 3rd line D pair.
    Grigorenko who has mostly played in the KHL.
    A 2015 pick that has yet to play in the NHL.
    And Compher who actually would be providing value to Buffalo right now playing as a mid 6 forward.

    So in the end they flipped ROR for good future's and they did so realizing that they were unlikely to resign him. I dont think Buffalo felt robbed until he won the Conn Smyth and they were hosting the cup.

    As far as Binnington goes, you should see that trade tree. We traded away our captain for a 3rd round pick to Tampa and ended up getting him for that. And the only reason we ever got Brewer is because the team owners didn't want to pay Chris Pronger's salary so they dumped him to Edmonton for highway robbery.
    We got Jeff Woywitka who put up 6 goals and 31 assists in 3 seasons.
    Doug Lynch ??? Who ??? Played a grand total of 2 nhl games.
    And Brewer, for Chris PRONGER.

    Overall, I think Buffalo made out fine on the ROR trade and both teams make great trade partners.


    Your memory is the same as mine.
    If Miller could have knocked out the Hawks, Buffalo fans would have crying then as well, and St Louis fans would not be singing the Blues.
    Buffalo got Thompson, Miller and one pick away from saying Montour.
    Why is anyone upset with two top 4 RHD and Thompson for O'Reilly.
    Buffalo fans seem to think O'Reilly led Buffalo to the playoffs every year.
    In reality, he led them to Rasmus Dahlin.
    GMTD a aimé ceci.
     
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