Tampa isn't giving all that just to get rid of Johnson. Ferland LTIR has no effect on Tampa's cap. What is this obsession of about trading him?
I think it is foolish to give up all that for Reichel. Just wait for next season if he really wants to be a Canuck.

I agree, not matter how much I would like Sam here now, you might as well wait for next year especially if he wants to play here, and you have the extra money from Lu coming off the books.

Hm.

Is the underlying implication here that PIT loses DeSmith in expansion and then trades for Holtby as a backup for Jarry. Or DeSmith > Jarry maybe? Hm.

Either way I reckon they'd just a decent FA for less

An old school GM still thinking he's ok though...

I could see that 🤕

Wow I forgot about Lu$ wow what a surreal scenario

Of course it would be better for Tampa to dump Johnson without anything coming back. But Ferland wouldn't be a big issue. You still clear Johnson's contract by putting Ferland on LTIR. Effects ability to accrue cap space though which is why ideally Tampa would move Johnson ++ for future considerations. Canucks would like to trade Ferland in the deal because it saves them real cash.

I'm not sure what Tampa fans think the price to move Johnson will be but I would be surprised if all it takes is

Johnson + Foote
OR
Johnson + Joseph/Colton + 1st (late pick)

To take Eriksson off your books, one of those 2nds need to be from the upcoming draft.

I'd be more than happy to take Johnson for a 1st.

Most GM's won't be. Tampa is in a position of absolutely 0 leverage and there is still quite a bit of term left on Johnson's contract especially for a guy who averaged 13mins per game this past season.

There has been multiple reports that it has never costed more to clear cap space than it does right now. Don't see a likely 28-32 overall pick being at all enticing enough for a GM to take that kind of salary.

Not to mention he still has a 12 team no trade list.

Of course you like these trades Vancouver wins every one of them easily. Most of the deals being offered it sounds like you’re just adding pieces until you think the value is right, with no consideration for what the acquiring team would actually want or need.

I'd consider it if the '23 pick was replaced with Jet Woo.

I tell you what, Wings trade Namestikov with 1/2 retained, the a 2021 3rd round pick and Alez Biega for Johnson, Foote and that 1st and Vacouver keeps Ericksson.

Not sure how you peddle Ericksson for 2 future 2nds a d then peddle Ferland and some junk and you get Foote, Johnson and a 1st. At least Johnson can play into eh NHL.

Like I said Wings give better quality and make the deal with TB.

To be honest I would not take Ericksson on for anything less then a 1st. Could be 2022 but it would ha e to be a 1st. Cap is tight and having space is like gold.

Johnson pretty much gives Detroit a 2nd line that can score. That is why I think a 1st is enough for Johnson. Detroit has some pretty good wingers and some more on the way. Since Yzerman and Brisebois are still pretty good friends and why I could see accepting just the 1st. The NTC is the only thing in the way and I don't know whois on it. It's not like Johnson is the only big contract they need to move over the next couple of seasons and since he already has a cup maybe he would come to Detroit. In the next couple of seasons once some more prospects make it to Detroit the will be fun to watch at least.

I'm not sure...
Johnson is fast approaching Filppula-like stats and it's a long contract. I'd like a prospect thrown in to clinch the deal. Unfortunately Foote is eligible for waivers next year so he isn't it, how about Goncalves?

The Eriksson deal is really good to me. For comparison same we can look at Staal (5.7M AAV & 3.2M cash) who returned a second rounder versus 6M AAV & 4M or 3M cash depending on time of transaction. Since they’re 2022 & 2023 picks the value diminishes a little but I’d do this deal all day.

There's a difference between those deals, Detroit actually needed a LD.

I'd want a bit more. If Plasek or Silovs were added then I'd strike.

See I disagree he does give Detroit a legitimate 2nd line. 3 years at $5M per really isn't that much. Detroit needs a real center on the second line to get consistent scoring there. So if not Johnson then who do you think Detroit should get play there.

There are a few available in FA (Erik Haula, Alexander Wennberg).

I'm not against taking on Johnson and I agree with you about the need for centres but I just think the risk of him regressing is so high that I'd want more assets to do the deal.

The Staal deal was good for Detroit because we didn't have any LD at all besides DDK, the situation is not that bad at centre and the risk of a player going bad is higher in two years than in one.

Going a little outside the box. What about the idea of Yzerman going with a bigger move and trading for Sergachev and Johnson. Detroit has the draft capital to make that deal and could use a young LHD.

I'd like to see Detroit go after Vince Dunn (Blues), they don't have a roster spot for him and he'll be traded. Could possibly be had for the Washington 1st round pick (+ maybe a little extra). Detroit only need 1 young really good LD, the rest will come from the 6 very interesting LD prospects we already have. Add a veteran FA to that or take on Gostisbehere (and get paid for it) to tie us over until Johansson and Viro are ready to step up.

Taking on Johnson and Gostisbehere will net us more draft capital than acquiring Dunn will cost us. It's a win whichever way you look at it.

jesus christ, why dont you trade more picks away?!?!?!?!?!?

It’s also 2 second rounders instead of 1. This would most likely go down post July 1st and cost 200k less. Nothing wrong with him in the press box or playing a bottom six role.

We already have 9 waiver eligible wingers for next year + Raymond and Berggren. It's either waive him and send him to GR or lose Svechnikov or Smith on waivers.
He brings nothing to the team as a player, that's why I want more than just the picks, a decent prospect that actually have a chance to become useful instead of one of the 2nd rounders. A 2nd round pick only carries a 25% chance of ever becoming a NHL player.

With the 2 picks you get a 50% chance of getting a player that can make it to the NHL, 4th-liner or higher. One 2nd + a decent prospect turn that into somewhere around 85-90%.

No one is going to give an A prospect + second round pick to get rid of one year of Eriksson. Two second round draft picks odds actually has better odds than 50% overall.

Svechnikov has already gone through waivers & Raymond/Berggren should start in GR. If they play well then you waive someone or trade someone to make a spot for them. Who are the 9 waiver eligible wingers? Vrana, Bert, Zadina, Panik, Smith, Svechnikov
Fabbri, Vladdy, Rasmussen can all play center/wing

I doubt it at this point Detroit has a lot of draft picks but they have awful luck in the draft lottery its been 31 years since Detroit has had a top 3 pick. You look at teams that have recently come out of rebuilds they all have at least 1 top 3 pick some have had as many as 4 top 3 picks.

Ok but can Detroit sign either of those players without throwing a bunch of money at them.