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Ekholm

Créé par: ForsbergForVezina
Équipe: 2020-21 Islanders de New York
Date de création initiale: 14 févr. 2021
Publié: 18 févr. 2021
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It's a lot for Ekholm, but he's the perfect combination of offense and defense, I think he'd fit the team perfectly. Andy Greene, in my opinion, just isn't cutting it right now, offensively or defensively. He should've been in a reserve role from the start and if we make the playoffs and he's still on the 3rd pair, I'll be little concerned. Adding Ekholm I think makes the top-4 close to airtight and gives us much more certainty when P and P aren't out there.

Nashville, meanwhile, can kickstart their retool with an NHL-ready offensive defenseman who, unfortunately, is probably never going to get a shot on LI. Thought about adding Bellows instead of Aho (which I'd prefer), but Aho would obviously replace the role Ekholm would play and I honestly think the upside with him is higher than that of Bellows. I originally had two 2nds here, with a condition on one in 2022 that made it upgrade to a 1st if the Islanders win the Cup, but I looked around at some other Ekholm ACGMs and the consensus seems to be that he's worth at least a 1st, so I made some changes. Considering that the Isles are trading a first here, I'd expect this deal to be made closer to the deadline, when they're hopefully on their way to making the playoffs (as opposed to relatively soon, when there's still a lot of time for them to fall apart).

For expansion, I say do 7-3-1
Barzal, Lee, Eberle, Nelson, Beauvillier, Pageau, Bellows
Pelech, Pulock, Ekholm
Varlamov

Seattle will probably take Mayfield (Bailey if we're lucky, but that's highly unlikely). Then hopefully buy-out or trade Nick Leddy and rebuild the 3rd pair with prospects (Wilde or Bolduc) and a low cost UFA (or Aho if they opt to keep him).
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NYI
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2022 (NSH)
NSH
  1. Aho, Sebastian
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (NYI)
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (NYI)
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2022 3rd round pick (NYI) becomes a 2022 2nd round pick if the Islanders make the 2022 Eastern Conference Finals

If 2022 pick is a 2nd rounder, the Predators will receive the higher of the two the Islanders own
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18 févr. 2021 à 10 h 23
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Quoting: slapshot723
What about Bode Wilde?


Ain't Preds a tad stacked with RHDs? Dunno if Wilde's interesting for them...

It must be a forward imo. Preferably a C, but the only C prospect interesting enough is Wahlstrom, who naturally isn't available. Bellows and Koivula are decent, but not in the desired level. Plus ExD is also an issue with them.

Think Holmstrom is next in line and the most logical option.
18 févr. 2021 à 10 h 29
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Ain't Preds a tad stacked with RHDs? Dunno if Wilde's interesting for them...

It must be a forward imo. Preferably a C, but the only C prospect interesting enough is Wahlstrom, who naturally isn't available. Bellows and Koivula are decent, but not in the desired level. Plus ExD is also an issue with them.

Think Holmstrom is next in line and the most logical option.


Can't see Lou giving up Holmstrom, but I understand if that's the price. Isles prob won't do it in that case.
18 févr. 2021 à 10 h 30
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Quoting: Isles777
A lot of scouts seem to believe he can make the jump to the NHL next season. Time will tell


For sure, and he probably can, I just wouldn't make other moves based on the assumption that he's top 4 ready. Cheers!
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18 févr. 2021 à 10 h 33
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Quoting: GeauxPreds1
Oliver Wahlstrom isn’t available is he? I would do this trade in a heartbeat if I’m Nashville


No one on here knows who's available or not.

I work in hockey and still couldn't tell you. Unless you're a GM, you don't know. But generally any player is available at the right cost.
18 févr. 2021 à 10 h 56
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Quoting: villenash
Trotz once said that Ekholm is the worst defenseman he had ever seen (early in his career)


Yikes lol, I would hope his opinion has changed a bit since then
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18 févr. 2021 à 11 h 12
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Great trade imo.


Quoting: ZiggyPalffy
I wouldn't be surprised if he costs more than that tbh.


Quoting: slapshot723
I would love this deal, I think it'll take a little more.


Quoting: Ryminister_27
Ekholm deal will be similar to the Jake Muzzin one to Toronto. Ekholm is highly underrated, one of the best defensive d-man in the league. Would probably get more than what Muzzin got. If Nashville decides to move him, they're likely looking at a retool phase if not a rebuild. Aho is an AHL d-man which is of no use to them at all. Price would start at a 1st round pick + B prospect. Then maybe a project prospect from there.

I'd likely say Ekholm for 1st round pick + Oliver Wahlstrom + Robin Salo


Quoting: Lenny7
Name value alone probably gets Nashville more than this. It's not as if they *Have* to move him, and I'd assume there'd be a number of teams out there that would push the bid up. Nothing insane, probably just a better prospect than Aho.


Quoting: Wrigley29
I would do that in a heart beat. I would think NSH would want a better defensive prospect.


Quoting: justaBoss
Think Ekholm will cost a bit more than this. No incentive to take Aho if NSH's gonna lose him in the expansion.

Think Ekholm will cost you Holmström+1st. Considering all facts, the return simply must be better than what NJ got for Coleman. Otherwise it's bad asset management by Poile.


Really appreciate all of the feedback, love to see that this has sparked some debate.

The Muzzin trade is a good model imo, although I personally think Muzzin is and was better than Ekholm at the time he was traded (it's not a wide gap though). Obviously the 1st round pick would be involved, but the sticking point seems to be finding too prospects similar to Grundstrom and Durzi. I think Aho could be involved for sure; again, I think he's NHL ready and really has nothing more to prove in the AHL. Think he'd be a great, mobile add for Nashville on their blueline. However, he would have to be protected for the exp. draft, which could be an issue. Nashville is a little shallow on forwards, so I don't think they'd have much of an issue going 4-4-1 again, especially if they sell more pieces, but I do see how that could be a problem.

Other prospects I think could be included would be Wilde, Salo, Holmstrom, Koivula or the aforementioned Bellows. I think all of them will be NHLers at some point and have as much as or more upside than Grundstrom and Durzi do/did. The org. loves Dobson and over the last few weeks, I sense a similar love developing with Wahlstrom, but just about any other prospect I imagine is on the table. So maybe take out the 2022 pick and add in one of those guys?
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18 févr. 2021 à 11 h 17
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Quoting: GeauxPreds1
I might be in minority but I’d rather have bellows. We have farrance hopefully coming up next year if he does sign with us and him and fabbro are familiar with each other and this years draft is stocked full of good defenseman and if the preds remain the course they are heading we could have a top 5 pick powers Hughes or Edvinsson are all better options than aho in my opinion. Really depends on what poile is wanting which I’m hoping he isn’t part of this rebuild/retool what ever direction we tend to go


Yeah,
Quoting: ZPirtle
What's the story on Bellows? He was a big name prospect when drafted, but hasn't made it yet. Similar to Tolvanen? I'd prefer Bellows to Aho in a NYI trade.


Bellows is in a weird spot. In my opinion, he's played very well this season - no points but he looked like he belonged when he was playing with Pageau and that 3rd line has been a good forechecking/defensive group when Bellows is out there. He does have some skill and a good shot, but I don't think he has the other offensive tools to stick in a top-6 on a good team (much like @Isles777 said). On a third line with a strong C though, I think he'd be an incredibly effective player.
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18 févr. 2021 à 11 h 35
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
Yeah,

Bellows is in a weird spot. In my opinion, he's played very well this season - no points but he looked like he belonged when he was playing with Pageau and that 3rd line has been a good forechecking/defensive group when Bellows is out there. He does have some skill and a good shot, but I don't think he has the other offensive tools to stick in a top-6 on a good team (much like @Isles777 said). On a third line with a strong C though, I think he'd be an incredibly effective player.


I'd like to see him get more of a shot, and I agree he's played well and is an NHL player. But in my opinion, we need to trade him, and for either a rental or a draft pick. Here's my reasoning:

1) Trotz doesn't seem to trust him too much. He's gone with Wahlstrom over him, but more importantly Komarov and MDC. I think he's just not a fit anymore.
2) He needs to be protected in expansion. I'd rather lose someone who has a big cap hit (i.e. Leddy, Bailey/Eberle, or Varlamov). If we leave him exposed, he'll most certainly get claimed. If he gets protected, it'll be much more difficult for NYI to control their protection list. I think we're in an excellent position for the expansion draft, but trading Bellows away for a protection-free asset would be ideal.
3) He can fetch decent value, whether it be a draft pick (probably a 2nd or 3rd+), or a rental, he won't go for nothing.
18 févr. 2021 à 11 h 42
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Quoting: slapshot723
I'd like to see him get more of a shot, and I agree he's played well and is an NHL player. But in my opinion, we need to trade him, and for either a rental or a draft pick. Here's my reasoning:

1) Trotz doesn't seem to trust him too much. He's gone with Wahlstrom over him, but more importantly Komarov and MDC. I think he's just not a fit anymore.
2) He needs to be protected in expansion. I'd rather lose someone who has a big cap hit (i.e. Leddy, Bailey/Eberle, or Varlamov). If we leave him exposed, he'll most certainly get claimed. If he gets protected, it'll be much more difficult for NYI to control their protection list. I think we're in an excellent position for the expansion draft, but trading Bellows away for a protection-free asset would be ideal.
3) He can fetch decent value, whether it be a draft pick (probably a 2nd or 3rd+), or a rental, he won't go for nothing.


It seemed like trotz trusted him when he was in the lineup and trotz even said he has a lot of trust in bellows game. If theyre not going to use him, then trade him - but bellows is the type of player that will go to another team and put up 20-25 goals with a playmaking center.
18 févr. 2021 à 11 h 45
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
Really appreciate all of the feedback, love to see that this has sparked some debate.

The Muzzin trade is a good model imo, although I personally think Muzzin is and was better than Ekholm at the time he was traded (it's not a wide gap though). Obviously the 1st round pick would be involved, but the sticking point seems to be finding too prospects similar to Grundstrom and Durzi. I think Aho could be involved for sure; again, I think he's NHL ready and really has nothing more to prove in the AHL. Think he'd be a great, mobile add for Nashville on their blueline. However, he would have to be protected for the exp. draft, which could be an issue. Nashville is a little shallow on forwards, so I don't think they'd have much of an issue going 4-4-1 again, especially if they sell more pieces, but I do see how that could be a problem.

Other prospects I think could be included would be Wilde, Salo, Holmstrom, Koivula or the aforementioned Bellows. I think all of them will be NHLers at some point and have as much as or more upside than Grundstrom and Durzi do/did. The org. loves Dobson and over the last few weeks, I sense a similar love developing with Wahlstrom, but just about any other prospect I imagine is on the table. So maybe take out the 2022 pick and add in one of those guys?


As a Kings fan I'd argue Ekholm might be better or at least he's been more consistent offensively. You can always count on him for a 30+ poiny season. Maybe more if he's on a better offense team. There are a lot of similarities with him and Muzzin like their contract being very affordable and almost the same cap hit at the time. I believe Muzzin was a pending UFA at the time, but I could be wrong. Ekholm has 2 years at 3.75M.

Maybe Holmstrom, Bellows, and a 1st?

Edit: I forgot how many 40 points seasons Muzzin has had so I guess maybe Muzzin is better. Hell I don't know, ignore me lol
18 févr. 2021 à 12 h 5
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Quoting: Isles777
It seemed like trotz trusted him when he was in the lineup and trotz even said he has a lot of trust in bellows game. If theyre not going to use him, then trade him - but bellows is the type of player that will go to another team and put up 20-25 goals with a playmaking center.


Probably right, but we're a good enough team that we can lose a guy like that if the return makes sense.
18 févr. 2021 à 12 h 38
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Quoting: slapshot723
Probably right, but we're a good enough team that we can lose a guy like that if the return makes sense.


This team still lacks shooting talent - they should try to figure out a way to get him in the the lineup.

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