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Core Values

Créé par: OutCold13
Date de création initiale: fév 13, 2021
Publié: 15 fév à 16 h 52
Équipe: 2020-21 Sharks de San Jose
Explications
There are a lot of contracts the Sharks can't trade, so I didn't. Just trying to rework the core and hopefully find players who mesh together better, because the current iteration of the Sharks doesn't know the concept of team. Could blame coaching could blame management could blame Couture, doesn't matter it's a mess.
1st thing Sharks need to do is find a better coach. Maybe give Mike Babcock a call, he should be reformed now.
So these trades are all off the hip and probably need work, but they are here for discussion value and please scrutinize and criticize, but leave a little constructive criticism as well.
Also I signed Dahlen because I believe Wilson needs to find someone who can get him over to the USA, I doubt he is a superstar but he should be a good top 6 wing. I'd like to see Kane eventually down in a 3rd line roll so he doesn't have as much TOI to take bad penalties but when Sharks become a playoff team again they will still have him in their back pocket.
Transactions
SJS
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
Détails additionnels:
The Sharks aren't moving Karlsson, so they need to find a way to bring out the best of him. Ekholm plays a solid defensive game and he plays his best when he is paired with a good puck moving defenseman.
NSH
  1. Simek, Radim
  2. Pasichnuk, Brinson
Détails additionnels:
The Predators risk losing Ekholm in expansion. In this case the Sharks give up to viable defenseman, one will be selected in expansion and the Predators will still have a replacement in place.
SJS
  1. Johnson, Tyler
  2. 2021 1e round pick (TBL)
  3. 2022 3e round pick (TBL)
Détails additionnels:
Sharks could use the draft capital and a decent right shot wing with versatility.
TBL
  1. Leonard, John
  2. Balcers, Rūdolfs
Détails additionnels:
Lightning will need the cap space and this opens up a roster spot for Kucherov when he returns. Would be a deadline move.
SJS
  1. Jost, Tyson
Détails additionnels:
Sharks get a young center who hasn't lived up to his draft position but he is still young and given a chance to play up in the lineup could help him blossom.
COL
  1. Donato, Ryan
  2. 2022 2e round pick (SJS)
Détails additionnels:
Avalanche get depth scoring for the playoffs and a 2nd for a guy they would likely lose in the expansion draft.
SJS
  1. Geekie, Morgan
  2. Necas, Martin
Détails additionnels:
Ideally Necas eventually takes over the 1C and pushes Couture to the wing. Geekie is a young middle 6 center should be able to hold down the 3C for the Sharks.
CAR
  1. Hertl, Tomas (1 998 334 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Sharks would retain the money needed to make the cap work for the Canes the amount I have retained is likely much larger than what would actually have to be retained at that point of the season.

The logic behind this trade, is the Canes are in a cup window, Hertl will help them more now than either Necas or Geekie.
SJS
  1. Primeau, Cayden
Détails additionnels:
Sharks need someone to displace Jones as a starter. Primeau should be ready to push him soon, if not immediately. I like Primeau a lot and I'm sure the Habs won't part with him easily, but worth the discussion.
MTL
  1. True, Alex
  2. Gregor, Noah
  3. Melnichuk, Alexei
Détails additionnels:
I don't expect the Habs to take this offer, but these are decent prospects, so it's worth a shot.
SJS
  1. Perfetti, Cole
Détails additionnels:
Perfetti to me offers a lot of what the Sharks lost when they let Pavelski walk. Sharks could stash him in the AHL/CHL for a bit and let him further develop.
WPG
  1. Meier, Timo
Détails additionnels:
Who adds and how much? The Jets could use a guy like Meier if he doesn't work with the cap number Jets could send back a guy like Perreault and adjust the trade a bit.
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Tomas Hertl: 1 998 334 $ (35.53%)
  • Nick Foligno: 1 375 000 $ (25%)
  • Mattias Janmark: 562 500 $ (25%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2021
SJS
TBL
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
2022
SJS
SJS
TBL
SJS
SJS
MIN
2023
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
SJS
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 269 125 $0 $1 090 000 $2 230 875 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
SJS
Dahlén, Jonathan
1 200 000 $
AG, C
RFA
SJS
Couture, Logan
8 000 000 $
C, AG
NTC
UFA - 7
SJS
Labanc, Kevin
4 725 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
SJS
Kane, Evander
7 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 5
COL
Jost, Tyson
874 125 $
C, AG, AD
RFA - 1
CAR
Necas, Martin
863 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 2
SJS
Nieto, Matt
700 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
CAR
Geekie, Morgan
763 333 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
TBL
Johnson, Tyler
5 000 000 $
AD, C
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Sörensen, Marcus
1 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
SJS
Gambrell, Dylan
700 000 $
C
RFA - 1
SJS
Noesen, Stefan
925 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
NSH
Ekholm, Mattias
3 750 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
SJS
Karlsson, Erik
11 500 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
MTL
Primeau, Cayden
880 833 $
G
RFA - 2
SJS
Ferraro, Mario
925 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
SJS
Burns, Brent
8 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 5
SJS
Jones, Martin
5 750 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 4
SJS
Knyzhov, Nikolai
796 667 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
SJS
Merkley, Ryan
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
SJS
Marleau, Patrick
700 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
SJS
Dubnyk, Devan
2 166 667 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
SJS
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard
7 000 000 $
DG/DD
NMC
UFA - 6
SJS
Jaros, Christian
750 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Équipe de réserve
SJS
Korenar, Josef
723 333 $ (0 $)
G
RFA - 1
SJS
Claesson, Fredrik
700 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
SJS
Gabriel, Kurtis
700 000 $ (0 $)
AD
UFA - 1
SJS
Händemark, Fredrik
792 500 $ (0 $)
C
UFA - 1

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15 fév à 16 h 55
#1
Banni
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That does not touch Ekholm. They can trade him for a 1st and decent exempt prospect. Pair of stiffs does not cut it.
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15 fév à 16 h 56
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1.5 years of Hertl isn’t worth giving up Necas
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15 fév à 16 h 58
#3
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As far as I’m concerned you have a deal with the Avalanche
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15 fév à 16 h 59
#4
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Quoting: SuspendedAgain
That does not touch Ekholm. They can trade him for a 1st and decent exempt prospect. Pair of stiffs does not cut it.


I think you are undervaluing these "Stiffs".
15 fév à 16 h 59
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Quoting: ecupirate07
1.5 years of Hertl isn’t worth giving up Necas


I figured it might be a tough sell there.
15 fév à 17 h 04
#6
Banni
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Quoting: OutCold13
I think you are undervaluing these "Stiffs".


Nope. They are not even close to Ekholm value. Ekholm is #2/3. Simek is 4/5. BP is iffy to make it to the NHL.
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15 fév à 17 h 06
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unless your sending a blue chip goalie prospect MB doesnt answer the phone again
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15 fév à 17 h 06
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Tampa Bay says no thanks TJ will be Seattle's pick
15 fév à 17 h 08
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Quoting: SuspendedAgain
Nope. They are not even close to Ekholm value. Ekholm is #2/3. Simek is 4/5. BP is iffy to make it to the NHL.


Calling Simek a #4/5 is generous TBH.

NSH doesn't remotely consider this.
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15 fév à 17 h 12
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Why Bergevin would even entertain this idea? A premium goalie prospect for marginal players (who by the way wouldn't even crack MTL top 10 prospect list)
15 fév à 17 h 13
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Quoting: OutCold13
I think you are undervaluing these "Stiffs".


Simek is a 28 year old, bottom-pairing defenseman with 100 games of NHL experience... this is so far removed from what an actual Ekholm trade would look like.
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15 fév à 17 h 14
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Quoting: gmgb
Calling Simek a #4/5 is generous TBH.

NSH doesn't remotely consider this.



Ya i was being kind.
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15 fév à 17 h 17
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Quoting: Bolts_Fan_Dan
Tampa Bay says no thanks TJ will be Seattle's pick

You can pay them to take him sure.
15 fév à 17 h 25
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Johnson is a necessity currently with Cirelli out, and Kucherov is out for the regular season, so, cap is not a concern. No deal involving Johnson will happen until the season is over.
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15 fév à 17 h 35
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Quoting: SuspendedAgain
Ya i was being kind.


I guess you are right Simeks analytics are much worse then I was expecting.
15 fév à 17 h 41
#16
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Quoting: OutCold13
I guess you are right Simeks analytics are much worse then I was expecting.


Nashville is likely to 8-1 and protect 4 d men anyway. Only way they lose Ekholm is by choice.
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15 fév à 17 h 46
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Quoting: Bolts_Fan_Dan
Tampa Bay says no thanks TJ will be Seattle's pick


You are still going to pay to move him this way you get some assets. Sorry double post
15 fév à 17 h 52
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Quoting: OutCold13
You are still going to pay to move him this way you get some assets.


As someone else noted he currently is needed and he's been a really good playoff player. Give up on the assets for the b2b run
15 fév à 17 h 57
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Quoting: villenash
Simek is a 28 year old, bottom-pairing defenseman with 100 games of NHL experience... this is so far removed from what an actual Ekholm trade would look like.


Quoting: gmgb
Calling Simek a #4/5 is generous TBH.

NSH doesn't remotely consider this.


Quoting: SuspendedAgain
Nope. They are not even close to Ekholm value. Ekholm is #2/3. Simek is 4/5. BP is iffy to make it to the NHL.



Respect not wanting to do this trade cause it’s just very lopsided against NSH but clearly none of you have actually watched or know anything about Simek lol
15 fév à 17 h 59
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Quoting: RawZuccSauce420
Respect not wanting to do this trade cause it’s just very lopsided against NSH but clearly none of you have actually watched or know anything about Simek lol


3rd pair guy on any decent team. If he’s playing 2nd pair....you are in deep trouble.
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15 fév à 18 h 16
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Quoting: Pond_Duck
As far as I’m concerned you have a deal with the Avalanche


Can you help me understand where you're coming from?

A 2nd round pick is nice and all, but Jost is the teams best PKer and is extremely responsible defensively at 5v5. You know exactly what you get with him which makes him an easy player to have on your 4th line. Plus he's really cheap.

Swapping Jost for Donato arguably doesn't really help the Avs win this season either, specifically as it weakens the PK (Donato doesn't PK). Donato looked good against Colorado in the 1st game (eg. 63% corsi) but he's unlikely to play on a scoring line in Colorado and I'm not sure he's a good fit on the 4th line stylistically. He's also twice as expensive.

That said, if you tell me that the 2nd rounder gets repackaged and used to get a legit 3C then I'm with you. For example, Jost for Donato + 3C, that's not bad.

This would also depend on how much money Donato and Jost are going to be looking for in the offseason. If Jost is looking likely to sign another sub-$1m deal then I'd be extremely reluctant to trade him, because that's just great value on the 4th line and PK.

Again though, I'm all ears and open to being convinced...
15 fév à 18 h 23
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Quoting: SuspendedAgain
3rd pair guy on any decent team. If he’s playing 2nd pair....you are in deep trouble.


I mean sure If you have a deep lineup? He's kind of like Marc Methot. One of those guys where there's not much there in the way of offense but playing him top pairing minutes with someone like Burns and/or Karlsson is where he belongs. Sharks suck this year but as he gets more and more ice time he just gets more and more solid. He's much better than y'all are suggesting.

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15 fév à 20 h 05
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Jost right now gets protected for a number of reasons not the least of which is that he is killing it defensively and on the PK. COL right now is more interested in what them win right now and Donato isn’t an upgrade on Jost.
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15 fév à 21 h 02
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Quoting: Richard88
Can you help me understand where you're coming from?

A 2nd round pick is nice and all, but Jost is the teams best PKer and is extremely responsible defensively at 5v5. You know exactly what you get with him which makes him an easy player to have on your 4th line. Plus he's really cheap.

Swapping Jost for Donato arguably doesn't really help the Avs win this season either, specifically as it weakens the PK (Donato doesn't PK). Donato looked good against Colorado in the 1st game (eg. 63% corsi) but he's unlikely to play on a scoring line in Colorado and I'm not sure he's a good fit on the 4th line stylistically. He's also twice as expensive.

That said, if you tell me that the 2nd rounder gets repackaged and used to get a legit 3C then I'm with you. For example, Jost for Donato + 3C, that's not bad.

This would also depend on how much money Donato and Jost are going to be looking for in the offseason. If Jost is looking likely to sign another sub-$1m deal then I'd be extremely reluctant to trade him, because that's just great value on the 4th line and PK.

Again though, I'm all ears and open to being convinced...

My thoughts:
Yes the second round pick is great and all and it is true Jost is off to a good start and will be the best PKer until Calvert comes back.

For Donato, he still has some upside and is a solid bottom 6 forward. And something I was thinking, idk if this is true but maybe just maybe Seattle shows some interest and select Donato especially if he has performs well, then the Avalanche could keep Graves.

But in general I feel this is an upgrade for the Avalanche and could help them win.
16 fév à 7 h 24
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Quoting: Xqb15a
Jost right now gets protected for a number of reasons not the least of which is that he is killing it defensively and on the PK. COL right now is more interested in what them win right now and Donato isn’t an upgrade on Jost.


Yeah, right now Jost would be the 7th forward protected, partly because he's good, but also because his caphit is lower than Donskoi/Compher so it just makes sense to funnel Seattle towards one of those two instead.

Quoting: Pond_Duck
My thoughts:
Yes the second round pick is great and all and it is true Jost is off to a good start and will be the best PKer until Calvert comes back.

For Donato, he still has some upside and is a solid bottom 6 forward. And something I was thinking, idk if this is true but maybe just maybe Seattle shows some interest and select Donato especially if he has performs well, then the Avalanche could keep Graves.

But in general I feel this is an upgrade for the Avalanche and could help them win.

Calvert isn't really that good of a PKer imo. Jost and Nichuskin are better. But Calvert is certainly better than Donskoi or Compher on the PK.

Donato has some upside sure, but he wouldn't be as good of a fit in the 4th line role as Jost is.

If Donato was a great skater maybe I could see the attraction but he's not.

The best part of the deal for the Avs is certainly the 2nd, which could be a very high 2nd the way SJ are trending, but Avs shouldn't really be interested in making moves for futures right now.
 
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