It's very hard saying Roslovic got a 3rd, when in fact he was apart of a bigger deal, and with Roslovic he lost his value after Winnipeg didn't resign him, and again if you couldn't tell this is an offseason move. and If Dermott has top 4 written all over him then why is Toronto not giving him the chance or more minutes or giving him a partner to where he can excel. Dermott the best LHD in Chicago he maybe could beat Zadorov for a spot but isn't going to do better than Beaudin, de Haan, or Keith and no way in hell better than Murphy.

Dermott is worth more than a 3rd, what a joke, I can't wait to see him with Seattle next season

Dermott has been with the leafs since 2017 before the Muzzins trade so it's hard to say he was blocked before than

Um, Jake Gardiner... Also Dermott was a rookie, you can't expect to plunk him on the 2nd pair right away.

Ok classical leafs fan I done with you guys, I could send a 7th round pick for Marincin and you guys will freak out

Toronto's defense stucked before getting Muzzins, so I would say Dermott still would get a lot more chance back in 2017. I'm done argueing because I could sent a 7th for your worst ahl player and you guys would freak out

Spezza playing with Kerfoot and Kapanen on the 2nd PP is a lot better than playing with Kampf and Carpenter on the 4th line and Nylander still being top 10 in rookie points

How about Nylander for niku? Both have high potential and should get the minutes they need to develop that potential. Both have serious deficiencies that can only be fixed with more ice time than they are getting. How does it sound?

Chicago doesn't need anymore RD, but it would probably be for a another foward prospect, The point for Dermott was to either rotate with Zadorov or be Chicago's 7th defensemen, If Chicago were to trade Nylander I hope there are conditions like I posted just for reinsurance that Nylander doesn't breakout with another team

Niku can play either. Also, the same goes for a guy like niku. He’s probably going to breakout with whatever team will let him make his mistakes until he learns the defensive side of the game at the nhl level. If he can play the defensive game as well as he did in the ahl, the sky is the limit for the guy.

Agree, we have zero use for Dermott

Nah, he'd be stuck behind Keith, De haan, Beaudin and probably competing with Zadarov for a 6th or 7th position. Dermott is fine for a 3rd liner and MAYBE a #4 upside but the Hawks have a logjam of prospects and players that simply rate higher.

@Beetlejuice Funny, I didn't even read your response to another Leafs fan when I wrote this to a earlier comment from Jared and we basically said the same thing. Someone saying Dermott would be Chicago's best defeseman and their #1 LHD ahead of Keith, Murphy, Beaudin, Mitchell, and De Haan is plain and simple wrong.

Bro I lose Brain cells everytime I argue with leaf's fans, They go on and on about their delusion. I was hesitant posting this because I knew I would most likely get this reaction, and I'm not posting any agm including MPL trades for awhile.

neat, and the leafs dont need a guy who might be a ok 3rw, they arnt exactly shallow on that side either.

The silliest part of this post, is that Shaw, Toews and Seabrook retire, just so the poster can create cap space. Players just don't retire when there are Millions of $$$$ coming to then.

Regarding Dermot in the previous two seasons, he's played 17 minutes a game with the worse RHD the Leafs had. Hawks or virtually any NHL team would be happy to have him. And certainly the Leafs aren't trading a much needed Dman this season for an injured winger.

i gotta say im a big fan of when people come in here and talk about how dumb people are for saying things and then say stuff like their own teams players are the wrong hand (murphy and MItchell) and ignore that Dermott is probably the 2nd best LHD on the list of players they themsevles presented. De Hann bad and Beaudin is even less proven than Dermott.

Shaw has a concussion problems and over the off-season, he said he seriously thought of retirement because of his concussion problems and now he's back on concussion protocol, Toews no one knows and is more of a bold prediction, and Seabrook is up there is age and hasn't played an NHL game for months now and has been going through surgeries and is now injured.

The Nylander thing I am done talking about

I didn't comment on that part, I simply commented that the Hawks don't need Dermott and I don't agree as my earlier posts indicate moving Nylander for a guy the Hawks don't have much use for

Ah, actually Shaw is in yet another concussion protocol...his 5th or 6th in 3 seasons so there is a pretty high likelyhood he's done. Toews, nobody knows what's going on but seems serious. Seabs hasn't been able to get back on the ice in well over a year, his body seems to be giving out on him. So none of these in isolation are off the charts, together all 3 maybe but there is rationale not just "silly because the poster wanted to create space", more silly is the lack of understanding of the background on these 3 right now.

Regarding Dermot as has been said, he's behind Keith, Mitchell, Beaudin, Boqvist, Murphy, De Haan and fighting for a 6 spot with Zadarov. He is not needed and the Hawks shouldn't be moving nylander for him.

the hawks need Dermott as bad as the Leafs need Nylander

First, I've got to say I'm not a big fan of people who put words in other's mouth...nowhere did I call anyone dumb, but I did say there's a lack of knowledge about another team they are talking about and that is clear (not unusual for most people either). Further, someone mentioned Dermott can play both sides so that is why I mentioned the total depth ahead of Dermott should he be in a Hawks sweater, so before you insult me or any active member here, think first and don't be so quick to judge. Lastly, Dermott doesn't have the ceiling of Beaudin...would be crazy to argue that he does. Dermott also isn't better then De Haan, again, crazy to argue that and promise you nobody outside of Leafs fans think that. Dermott isn't better then Keith even though another Leafs fan thinks so...again makes zero sense. Anyone outside of a leafs fan would see Dermott for what he is; a 3rd liner with a ceiling as a #4; which is fine by the way but for the Hawks, that leaves Dermott competing with Zadarov for a 6th man position right now. This also doesn't consider the Hawks have Carlsson (similar style to Dermott and Kalynuk trying to get their shots to play and on some teams they would be right now. Hawks have only one need and that is a first line LHD player or prospect and that is certainly not Dermott. As such, I would much rather keep Nylander (unlike the AGM poster who's a Hawks fan) then bring in a guy who's redundant as a bottom pairing with limited upside as a #4.

Please be better on how you engage, you don't get paid for the Leafs and therefore aren't protecting your family or income, there is absolutely no reason to call people names and throw around insults randomly.

I don't argue that and said we shouldn't do this trade. Nylander is more important to the Hawks then Dermott given the lojam of bottom 5 defensive players/prospects we already have...don't need to add to that.

Ok, I don't necessarily want to trade Nylander the whole point of the trade is the condition, If he thrive with Toronto the Hawks receive a 2nd or 1st (Dermott didn't have to be in here I just added him to have a player coming back to Chicago). I think the only problem it is going to be hard to fit Nylander in next year when Kurashev, Suter, Hagel deserve a spot and Dach and Hopefully toews comes back, and Barratt comes in, I think It's better to trade him during the off-season when he has some value and potential then playing him again bottom 6 minutes and then his value and potential drops.

hahaha oh that's rich. I never called you dumb bud, but that's a wonderful bookend to you saying i said you called people dumb.
Let's look at what I said. I said you were talking about how people were dumb, as in you were infering that someone lacked knowledge about your team and missed obvious points about how a player would fit into the black hawks, which you 100% did.
And it doesnt matter that the other guy said Dermott could play both sides, your exact words were "Saying Dermott would be their #1 LHD". You see the part where it says LHD as in Left Handed D. You then named 2 RHD.
Oh and De Haan isnt as good as Dermott, and you can put words in every other fan of not the leafs in the worlds mouth if you want, that doesnt make it true. De Hann is not as good as Dermott.

So, now that we've got that squared, maybe you should take a page from your own book and be better on how you engage and dont make crap up.

I agree that Nylander may not fit if Hagel, Kurashev, Suter keep it up (Dach and Barratt being natural centers from my viewpoint is a bit irrelevant). However, the key piece here is Nylander is a RW so that is a giant empty hole for us outside of the top 6. On the 3rd line could be a fit, but at the same time, you could slide Hagel, Kurashev, or Suter over, or if they move Dach to wing and Suter to C. Also, Reichel...depends on how he does this year in DEL. I think conditionals on Nylander would make sense (not the one's you proposed but similar) but that is such a rarity to that degree with an unproven player. Tough situation right now for Nylander and for the Hawks.