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who is the mystery forward the leafs are interested in

Créé par: TML2021
Date de création initiale: fév 11, 2021
Publié: 11 fév à 0 h 50
Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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TOR
  1. Ryan, Bobby
DET
  1. 2021 2e round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Bennett, Sam
CGY
  1. Mikheyev, Ilya
  2. 2022 3e round pick (TOR)
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  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
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TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2081 500 000 $81 129 741 $0 $0 $370 259 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
6 962 366 $
AD, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 5
DET
Ryan, Bobby
1 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 3
CGY
Bennett, Sam
2 550 000 $
AG, C, AD
RFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Thornton, Joe
700 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
900 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
1 650 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
874 125 $
DG
RFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
1 000 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
725 000 $
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
821 667 $
AG
RFA - 3
Équipe de réserve
TOR
Petan, Nicolas
775 000 $ (0 $)
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $ (0 $)
DG
RFA - 2
TOR
Boyd, Travis
700 000 $ (0 $)
C, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
925 000 $ (0 $)
DG
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
1 250 000 $ (175 000 $)
AG, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
925 000 $ (0 $)
AD, AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
863 333 $ (0 $)
DD
RFA - 2
TOR
Woll, Joseph
800 000 $ (0 $)
G
RFA - 1
TOR
Brooks, Adam
725 000 $ (0 $)
C
RFA - 2

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11 fév à 14 h 47
#51
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Quoting: Barilko14
56 games is a rather small season.

Long story short, I don't doubt the Leafs are on the lookout for a middle 6 fwd, as the Leafs are being carried by their 1st line and their PP. Aside from a few mixes on the 4th line, every other line has struggled.

I'd prefer mgmt look into fixing some of the issues, rather than pull the "bury their head in the sand" approach.


Not over the last 4 games, they have been just better or good enough to win. End of the day the Leafs are finding ways to win.
11 fév à 17 h 51
#52
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I think it could easily be Ryan but I also think the price could easily change. Yes Ryan is playing well now but with his situation it could change. Last weekend when asked about Bennett asking for a trade Burke said I really like Bennett but you have to make yourself trade-able if you ask for a trade. Now Burke is in Pittsburgh and the odds of Bennett going to Pittsburgh I think went up quite a bit, but who knows?
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11 fév à 18 h 43
#53
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Quoting: Jah1722
Kerfoot 5v5 corsi is 45%. Hyman’s is 49%. Mikheyev is 44%. Simmonds 48%. Spezza 49%. But please continue to tell me how good they are.

They’re bad.


First off they're middle of the line up players. Compare them to other middle of the line up players.

Secondly:
CF% alone is silly, we all know that. Kerfoot's has been poor this year, but this is the first year he has had a negative CF%Rel in his 4 year career, and the last two years he was above 50%. I'll go with the sample size on this one. He is also getting heavier defensive zone starts being used more in a checking role.

Hyman is 49.7. Statistically his error bars to judge his true talent would like be over 50%. He's doing that with heavy defensive zone starts. So thats good

Simmonds is about our 10th best forward, so he's fine for 10th best forward....

Mikheyev has a 65.3% defensive zone start. He's playing heavy defensive minutes. His CF% unadjusted will look bad, its lazy statistics to not try to analyze that.

Spezza is about our 11th best forward, he's excellent for that. His two way game is slipping, but its fine and he still has offesnive spark.

If you think there are more than maybe 2-3 teams who have a

5th best forward significantly better than Hyman
6th and 7th best forward significantly better than Kerfoot and Thornton
8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th best forwards significantly better than say Mikheyev, Vesey, Simmonds, and Spezza

Then I'd like to see.

They aren't studs, but they are depth players.

Tampa is deeper. Perhaps Colorado or Boston.

But chose your team and compare there 5th-11th forwards. Nobody's 5th-11th forwards are that good...
11 fév à 19 h 37
#54
Jah1722
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Quoting: BCAPP
First off they're middle of the line up players. Compare them to other middle of the line up players.

Secondly:
CF% alone is silly, we all know that. Kerfoot's has been poor this year, but this is the first year he has had a negative CF%Rel in his 4 year career, and the last two years he was above 50%. I'll go with the sample size on this one. He is also getting heavier defensive zone starts being used more in a checking role.

Hyman is 49.7. Statistically his error bars to judge his true talent would like be over 50%. He's doing that with heavy defensive zone starts. So thats good

Simmonds is about our 10th best forward, so he's fine for 10th best forward....

Mikheyev has a 65.3% defensive zone start. He's playing heavy defensive minutes. His CF% unadjusted will look bad, its lazy statistics to not try to analyze that.

Spezza is about our 11th best forward, he's excellent for that. His two way game is slipping, but its fine and he still has offesnive spark.

If you think there are more than maybe 2-3 teams who have a

5th best forward significantly better than Hyman
6th and 7th best forward significantly better than Kerfoot and Thornton
8th, 9th, 10th, and 11th best forwards significantly better than say Mikheyev, Vesey, Simmonds, and Spezza

Then I'd like to see.

They aren't studs, but they are depth players.

Tampa is deeper. Perhaps Colorado or Boston.

But chose your team and compare there 5th-11th forwards. Nobody's 5th-11th forwards are that good...


TOR’s depth is bad. Sorry to break the news to you.
11 fév à 21 h 06
#55
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Quoting: Jah1722
TOR’s depth is bad. Sorry to break the news to you.


Show me who's 5th-11th forwards are significantly better. I'll give you Tampa. Perhaps Boston and Colorado.

Not sure who's else are...
11 fév à 21 h 09
#56
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Quoting: Jah1722
TOR’s depth is bad. Sorry to break the news to you.


Quoting: BCAPP
Show me who's 5th-11th forwards are significantly better. I'll give you Tampa. Perhaps Boston and Colorado.

Not sure who's else are...


Probably Vegas.
11 fév à 21 h 58
#57
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Quoting: BCAPP
Show me who's 5th-11th forwards are significantly better. I'll give you Tampa. Perhaps Boston and Colorado.

Not sure who's else are...


TOR 5v5 isn’t great with the 4 stars and you’re acting like the rest of the fwds are on their level.
11 fév à 22 h 48
#58
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Quoting: Jah1722
TOR 5v5 isn’t great with the 4 stars and you’re acting like the rest of the fwds are on their level.


You still haven't answered my question.

I'm not saying if they're great or not. I think people have super unrealistic expectations of what a 2nd and 3rd liner are.

I don't think Toronto's depth are world beaters or anything, but I think they're fine. I think people expect a teams 6th and 7th best forward to be a guy like Brock Boeser, when in reality it's a guy like Tanner Pearson or even Gaudette
11 fév à 23 h 00
#59
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Quoting: BCAPP
You still haven't answered my question.

I'm not saying if they're great or not. I think people have super unrealistic expectations of what a 2nd and 3rd liner are.

I don't think Toronto's depth are world beaters or anything, but I think they're fine. I think people expect a teams 6th and 7th best forward to be a guy like Brock Boeser, when in reality it's a guy like Tanner Pearson or even Gaudette


I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I knew the depth was poor going into the season. Adding old players at league minimum isn’t improving the team. You’re just blinded by homerism. As for your question idc. I showed they were poor individually and you just ignored it.
11 fév à 23 h 10
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Quoting: Jah1722
I don’t have unrealistic expectations. I knew the depth was poor going into the season. Adding old players at league minimum isn’t improving the team. You’re just blinded by homerism. As for your question idc. I showed they were poor individually and you just ignored it.


You didn't show they were poor individually. You used a single stat that shows Hyman at league average and Kerfoot as poor, but conveniently only used a 14 game sample of a guy with a 20+ game career (where he was way better). Simmonds is depth and Spezza is where you would expect for a guy that deep in your line up...

But if you think that you can accurately judge a player simply by his CF% over the last 14 games without a single other fact, that's just silly

My point is not that they're awesome. It's that they're fine for depth players. Nobody has world beaters at that deep in their organization.
11 fév à 23 h 22
#61
Jah1722
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Quoting: BCAPP
You didn't show they were poor individually. You used a single stat that shows Hyman at league average and Kerfoot as poor, but conveniently only used a 14 game sample of a guy with a 20+ game career (where he was way better). Simmonds is depth and Spezza is where you would expect for a guy that deep in your line up...

But if you think that you can accurately judge a player simply by his CF% over the last 14 games without a single other fact, that's just silly

My point is not that they're awesome. It's that they're fine for depth players. Nobody has world beaters at that deep in their organization.


Good talk bud
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12 fév à 0 h 34
#62
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Quoting: BCAPP
Show me who's 5th-11th forwards are significantly better. I'll give you Tampa. Perhaps Boston and Colorado.

Not sure who's else are...


Man, he's a Ducks fan. Let him worry about his own team.
 
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