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Is this a fair ask for B Tkachuk and JBD

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Équipe: 2022-23 Devils du New Jersey
Date de création initiale: 8 févr. 2021
Publié: 8 févr. 2021
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I KNOW THAT THEY BOTH WILL NOT BE TRADED, BUT IS THE VALUE THERE?
WAY TOO MANY COMMENTS THAT THEY WILL NOT BE TRADED. I KNOW THAT.
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 11
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    how do you expect to get BOTH of Tkachuk AND Bernard-Docker without including Hughes? ... that's not happening.
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 22
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    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    how do you expect to get BOTH of Tkachuk AND Bernard-Docker without including Hughes? ... that's not happening.


    Its not like he is offering up chopped liver.
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 33
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    Don't know why Ottawa would do this unless they're getting a similar caliber player back. Rebuilding teams are usually not too willing to give up super skilled 21 year old power forwards...
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 33
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Its not like he is offering up chopped liver.


    definitely not offering nothing but i cant see the sens moving both of them unless it was to trade up for a big piece, not trade down into more
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 33
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Its not like he is offering up chopped liver.


    Quality > quantity
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 35
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    tears of joy jack huges for 9 mill tears of joy
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 36
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    Doubt Sens would trade Thachuk
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 36
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    Quoting: Dirty_dangles37
    tears of joy jack huges for 9 mill tears of joy


    Have you seen how he has been playing this year????
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 38
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Have you seen how he has been playing this year????


    hes played 9 games and has 8 point he was a huge dissapointment last year and 8 points in 9 games isnt 9.5 mil
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 39
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    Modifié 8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 47
    im not sure the values there on the JBD one just cause palmieri is an expiring UFA, and rebuilders dont really want to move their prospects for UFA's. Im not overly bullish on sharangovic or zacha although both are good pieces. The tkachuk one would make sense if they were just starting the rebuild but hes kind of solidified himself as a centrepiece for this team moving forward and i cant really see the sens bothering to trade him for more prospects in an already loaded pool, so theres not much value to them there either
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 41
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Its not like he is offering up chopped liver.


    True. There are some decent pieces there, but nowhere near enough for Ottawa to even consider either of those trade. A quick and easy NO on both offers.
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 45
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    Quoting: Dirty_dangles37
    hes played 9 games and has 8 point he was a huge dissapointment last year and 8 points in 9 games isnt 9.5 mil


    Never said it was but you are acting like he's a bust. Did you really expect an 18 year old to be a superstar in his first year while playing on the third line with average players? This season he is a completely changed player
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 46
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    Quoting: Borocop
    definitely not offering nothing but i cant see the sens moving both of them unless it was to trade up for a big piece, not trade down into more


    Quoting: Ryminister_27
    Quality > quantity


    The original offers were bad for NJD.

    Adding Jack Hughes to them ....is Kayne-level crazy.
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 47
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    Never said it was but you are acting like he's a bust. Did you really expect an 18 year old to be a superstar in his first year while playing on the third line with average players? This season he is a completely changed player


    i expected him to not suck the first year never said he is a bust when he has played a little over a year just saying if i had to resign him rn it would be like 5 mil
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 48
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    Quoting: TCMonkey
    True. There are some decent pieces there, but nowhere near enough for Ottawa to even consider either of those trade. A quick and easy NO on both offers.


    What the....
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 50
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    i expected him to not suck the first year never said he is a bust when he has played a little over a year just saying if i had to resign him rn it would be like 5 mil


    DONE!!!

    Can you be his agent until he resigns?
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 52
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    DONE!!!

    Can you be his agent until he resigns?


    ill persuade him to sign thatwink
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 52
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    Quoting: Dirty_dangles37
    i expected him to not suck the first year never said he is a bust when he has played a little over a year just saying if i had to resign him rn it would be like 5 mil


    This ACGM is projecting his deal in 2022-23. You can't say he won't improve by the time he gets his first real contract
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 52
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    This site gets more and more idiotic.

    The trade scenarios are unrealistic, people thinking a prospect has the value of an every day NHL player, yes they have promise, but the further from the best of the best you get, the more likely they won’t be what you want them to be.

    Or people offering 5 or 6 or 7 assets for one player thinking the value is right because of how many pieces there are.

    How many 7th round picks does it take to equal a 1st round pick? It’s ridiculous some of these quantity for quality offers. Unless a player is on the trade block, he’s not going to be traded for any of these quantity offers.

    Of course you want Brady Tkachuk, but if your team traded for him, you would get endless ridiculous offers from someone else that thinks you should trade him to them.

    Think about the other team, do they want to trade the player?

    Do you want to trade Hughes? I’ll give you Logan Brown, Austin Watson, two 2nds, and our next twelve 7th round picks for Hughes, is that fair?
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    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 53
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    Quoting: Devil1122
    This ACGM is projecting his deal in 2022-23. You can't say he won't improve by the time he gets his first real contract


    but still 9.5 mill in a 2 years is a little steep
    8 févr. 2021 à 13 h 56
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    Quoting: sensibleguy
    This site gets more and more idiotic.

    The trade scenarios are unrealistic, people thinking a prospect has the value of an every day NHL player, yes they have promise, but the further from the best of the best you get, the more likely they won’t be what you want them to be.

    Or people offering 5 or 6 or 7 assets for one player thinking the value is right because of how many pieces there are.

    How many 7th round picks does it take to equal a 1st round pick? It’s ridiculous some of these quantity for quality offers. Unless a player is on the trade block, he’s not going to be traded for any of these quantity offers.

    Of course you want Brady Tkachuk, but if your team traded for him, you would get endless ridiculous offers from someone else that thinks you should trade him to them.

    Think about the other team, do they want to trade the player?

    Do you want to trade Hughes? I’ll give you Logan Brown, Austin Watson, two 2nds, and our next twelve 7th round picks for Hughes, is that fair?


    100% agree with you on quality over quantity. Until the offer is quantity AND quality.

    And your Hughes example is looney-tunes. All seven of the players listed from Devils are more valuable than Brown, Watson, and picks.
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    8 févr. 2021 à 14 h 1
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    The original offers were bad for NJD.

    Adding Jack Hughes to them ....is Kayne-level crazy.


    I never said "add Hughes to the deal".. I said any deal for them includes Hughes. Not that Hughes had to be added on to this
    8 févr. 2021 à 14 h 2
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    100% agree with you on quality over quantity. Until the offer is quantity AND quality.

    And your Hughes example is looney-tunes. All seven of the players listed from Devils are more valuable than Brown, Watson, and picks.


    But there’s twelve of those 7th round picks, lol.
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    8 févr. 2021 à 14 h 2
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    but still 9.5 mill in a 2 years is a little steep


    Nico got paid 7.5 x 8 years. Hughes will probably be better than Nico by the time his contract is up.
    8 févr. 2021 à 14 h 6
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    All seven of the players listed from Devils are more valuable than Brown.


    Go ahead and compare them each to Logan Brown

    https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
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