Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
It's so frustrating and honestly useless to argue with analytics cult members. They ruined hockey. If we now need to base our opinion on them before watching hockey, then watching the game is useless.
No, it's just that some (eye test) people who only base/justify their point/arguments think they're right but they can't prove it and second, they don't understand or know how to use analytics. It's not useless, first because you're entertained and second, you can see if the eye test matches the analytics.
A player that is good to me with the eye test can be really good for you and one who is average for you could be very bad for me. It all depends of your perception and what you think is good and what you think is bad.
Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
sEtH jOnEs (who can literally play 26-27 minutes a game in all situations and look elite in all of them) Is A sEcOnD pAiRiNg D-mAn
SpUrGeOn AnD eLlIs(who aren't even the main defensive weapons on their team) ArE tOp 15 D-mEn
I assume you're using the TOI totals to say " he must be great " which is the case for most players but not every time. Doughty, Ristolainen play big minutes but they're bad. Nemeth-Hronek are Detroit first pair and they played 22:02 and 23:54 of TOI respectively last year while facing the toughest competition but it doesn't mean, they're 1st pair players nor play like 1st pair D. At least you said " and look elite in all of them ", well that's your opinion, it brings us back to my first point, elite for one may not be elite for another.
Agree to disagree for the second part about Ellis and Spurgeon.