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Matthews to the wing

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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 15 nov. 2020
Publié: 15 nov. 2020
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 8
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Florida says no. they have 0 centre depth behind barkov. toronto also doesn't need barkov either.
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 8
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Leafs say no
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 10
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This doesn't make much sense for Toronto. This is a haul for Barkov tho.
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 10
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There would be no reason for the leafs to make this trade. For one, we don't need another Centreman (and Matthews is better at center, so there's no point putting him at wing), and that's way too much to pay for Barkov (Nylander isn't much worse than him and that's 2 of our best prospects)
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 13
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Value is perfect, but I'd say that Florida respectfully declines.
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 17
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The difference between Nylander and Barkov is NOT Robertson, Liljegren, a 1st and a 2nd.

Can we stop undervaluing Nylander. That’d be great. Thanks.
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 17
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lol, people have offered less for Matthews and been told that the Leafs are ripping them off. That's an insane over payment and uneccessary for toronto
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 18
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Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
There would be no reason for the leafs to make this trade. For one, we don't need another Centreman (and Matthews is better at center, so there's no point putting him at wing), and that's way too much to pay for Barkov (Nylander isn't much worse than him and that's 2 of our best prospects)


Barkov is one of the best 2 way centres in the game, he would help stabilize the front end of the defence
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 19
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Quoting: Thanos_1738
Value is perfect, but I'd say that Florida respectfully declines.


Quoting: Kukas2600
The difference between Nylander and Barkov is NOT Robertson, Liljegren, a 1st and a 2nd.

Can we stop undervaluing Nylander. That’d be great. Thanks.


just gonna leave this here

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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 19
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This is a scenario where both teams reject. FLA has no top 6 center besides Barkov (I still have no idea why they traded Trocheck)

And for TOR well as others have rightly pointed out Barkov isn't a necessity for them and they're not moving Willy, Lily, Robertson and 2 great picks for him
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 26
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Quoting: Thanos_1738
Value is perfect, but I'd say that Florida respectfully declines.


Perfect???? Far from it.
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 28
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Quoting: Kukas2600
The difference between Nylander and Barkov is NOT Robertson, Liljegren, a 1st and a 2nd.

Can we stop undervaluing Nylander. That’d be great. Thanks.


actually the value of this trade is pretty good, can leafs fans quit overrating Nylander please
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 28
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Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
There would be no reason for the leafs to make this trade. For one, we don't need another Centreman (and Matthews is better at center, so there's no point putting him at wing), and that's way too much to pay for Barkov (Nylander isn't much worse than him and that's 2 of our best prospects)


its not even close between Barkov and Nylander
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 29
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
just gonna leave this here

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Nylander is the most overrated player in the league by leafs fans I swear. barkov is leaps and bounds better than Nylander
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 33
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Quoting: mhockey91
Nylander is the most overrated player in the league by leafs fans I swear. barkov is leaps and bounds better than Nylander


I'm just kidding lmao

obviously I'm taking barkov who despite being a few years younger with 3 less seasons under his belt, with 2 less mins per game on average, has:

better possession stats, similar points, more goals, similar number of primary assists and has the longer term on his deal who's an offensive beast and is the better player at even strength

ofc I'm taking him over willy
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 44
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I'm just kidding lmao

obviously I'm taking barkov who despite being a few years younger with 3 less seasons under his belt, with 2 less mins per game on average, has:

better possession stats, similar points, more goals, similar number of primary assists and has the longer term on his deal who's an offensive beast and is the better player at even strength

ofc I'm taking him over willy


how good is Barkov defensively? Like does the analytics community think hes a top 10 forward defensively?
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 44
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Quoting: AlwaysBeleaf1919
There would be no reason for the leafs to make this trade. For one, we don't need another Centreman (and Matthews is better at center, so there's no point putting him at wing), and that's way too much to pay for Barkov (Nylander isn't much worse than him and that's 2 of our best prospects)


Ahhahahahhahah that is a good one.
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15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 49
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how good is Barkov defensively? Like does the analytics community think hes a top 10 forward defensively?


oh he's very good defensively, but so is matthews. Matthews likely can get even better and then he brings maybe 80% of the defence barkov brings and also somehow scores 50 goals

and, as indicated by their offensive stats, hilariously, nylander is actually basically equal to barkov (at least this season). Now, he's a winger, and Barkov is a centre, but still, we have 2 defensively responsible, star centres (Tavares/Matthews), and no winger depth, so this whole concept makes zero sense imo
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 50
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
oh he's very good defensively, but so is matthews. Matthews likely can get even better and then he brings maybe 80% of the defence barkov brings and also somehow scores 50 goals

and, as indicated by their offensive stats, hilariously, nylander is actually basically equal to barkov (at least this season). Now, he's a winger, and Barkov is a centre, but still, we have 2 defensively responsible, star centres (Tavares/Matthews), and no winger depth, so this whole concept makes zero sense imo


Matthews can become Ovechkin from the wing , thatd be cool to watch
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 52
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Matthews can become Ovechkin from the wing , thatd be cool to watch


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apparently, according to the numbers here, barkov isn't that good defensively - which surprises me tbh - I think he had a down year

still, Willy is hilariously underrated and I wouldn't trade him for Barkov 1 for 1, let alone all this other stuff
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 55
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
I'm just kidding lmao

obviously I'm taking barkov who despite being a few years younger with 3 less seasons under his belt, with 2 less mins per game on average, has:

better possession stats, similar points, more goals, similar number of primary assists and has the longer term on his deal who's an offensive beast and is the better player at even strength

ofc I'm taking him over willy


analytics aren't everything buddy. there is a reason barkov is constantly ranked as a top 10 C in this league. Barkov vs matthews is a fair comparison, though I would give to nod to matthews, this is a MUCH closer comparison than Barkov vs Nylander. that one just isnt even close. man leafs fans overrate Nylander. its so annoying. you dont seen pens fans trading Guezntal, who is a better player than Nylander and signed to a cheaper deal, to all these ridiculous lopsided deals
15 nov. 2020 à 20 h 56
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
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apparently, according to the numbers here, barkov isn't that good defensively - which surprises me tbh - I think he had a down year

still, Willy is hilariously underrated and I wouldn't trade him for Barkov 1 for 1, let alone all this other stuff


Barkov smokes Nylander its not even close!!! compare barkov to matthews, not Nylander. Nylander is hilariously OVERRATED!!! by leafs fans like yourself
15 nov. 2020 à 21 h 19
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As I emphasize my point once again, when the Leafs trade for a player in Barkov, as an example, especially at a package of NYLANDER, ROBERTSON, LILJEGREN, a 1st, and a 2nd/1st we are apparently still "underpaying." Let me remind you, we are giving up a top 6 player who can put up 60 points, our BEST prospect with top 6 potential, ONE of our best defensive prospects, and more futures. When people trade for Marner, they offer an average third liner, a top 4 defensemen, and a 4th round pick, and people still think they are overpaying. Stop undervaluing our players for the reason of hating the Leafs.

In this case, the Leafs decline
15 nov. 2020 à 21 h 42
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Way too much for the Leafs to give up two years of Barkov.(no other team would trade so much either) Surprisingly last season, Nylander and Barkov weren't that much different statistically.
15 nov. 2020 à 22 h 20
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Way too much for the Leafs to give up two years of Barkov.(no other team would trade so much either) Surprisingly last season, Nylander and Barkov weren't that much different statistically.


Other than Nylander played with a ppg player and Barkov played with garbage....yea they're equals.
 
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