what crime did he commit?

You're missing Gary Roberts.

He's Mr. Game 7 bud there's only one guy that clutch.

Good catch smart ass lol

If Theo Fleury doesn’t get in while dealing with the demons that were sexual assault as a child and dealing with substance abuse and having the career he did and at a size that put all odds against him.... A mediocre guy who pots a few important playoff goals shouldn’t get in. Not to downplay Mr game 7 too much, he has a legacy and every player is jealous of the nickname but come on...

How can everyone say no to Patrick Marleau in the HOF ( Top 25 all time goals scored, top 50 all time points, top 10 GWG, and will retire with the all time games played in spite of a lost season to lockout and two Olympic gold metals)
If Williams is even considered Marleau has to be a lock....
Right?

What about Patrick Marleau

I already had a conversation about Marleau and the HOF in a different ACGM with the breadman....the answer is 1st ballot HOF.

In a short span of 4 seasons (1991-1996) Roberts was hands down the 2nd best power forward in the NHL, Neely got into the HOF with a similar short term dominance.

He's averaged 51 points over an 82 game schedule in both the regular season and playoffs. If that's HHOF then idk what is.

Marleau is most likely getting in but he shouldn't. He was never an elite player at all, not even close and he hasn't won anything. The only reason he'll get in is because he played for a billion years which isn't really a good reason

2 Olympic gold metals isn’t nothing 560+ goals isn’t nothing and 110 game winning goals isn’t nothing, he was grossly underrated throughout his career but I can see your argument he was never truly elite but he was a super star for San Jose and did done great things in his career.

It isn't a question of whether he will make it or not, it's about whether he should make it. The prerequisite for the hall of fame is not that you play a bunch of games because legitimately that is the only thing that he has going for him. He was never an elite goal scorer, point producer, consideration for major awards, etc. The only reason for him to make the hall of fame is that he played a lot of games.

You can say he's a lock, and you are probably right. But what makes him a lock besides games played?

Olympic gold medal winners 2010: Dan Boyle, Brent Seabrook, Danny Heatley, Brendan Morrow, Rick Nash, Mike Richards, Eric Staal. 2014 Team Canada had: Mike Smith, Dan Hamhuis, Jay Bouwmeester, Marc Eduard Vlasic, Matt Duchene, Patrick Sharp, Chris Kunitz, Rick Nash, Jeff Carter. That's not even including a bunch of players who have far better resumes that may not even get in like Jamie Benn.

The only reason he has those goal/point/GWG totals is because he played 1700+ games. That all links back to my whole point which is that his only claim to the hall of fame is on the fact that he played so many games.

I completely think he will get in, but I don't think he should.

Also some of those players I mentioned have strong resumes too because Seabrook and Sharp both won 3 cups, Heatley was an elite NHLer for a while, Nash had a hockey, Staal had some high point seasons + a cup, and Kunitz had 4 cups and a top 10 point finish

Ahem....Joe Mullen, never elite, HOF, only because he played 20 seasons and he is the 1st American born player to pass 500 goals.

That also falls under the "really isn't a good enough reason" category.

Your argument about playing longevity is the reason why G. Howe is considered one of the best 3 players of all time. Heck Mark Messier final 7 seasons were a complete waste (ZERO playoff games), other than to boost his stats to past Howe.

Imagine if Bossy played another 10 seasons? would he be remembered as the greatest goal scorer or watching him score 200 goals in the final 10 seasons tarnish his greatest.

Playing longevity at an above average skill level matters.