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Guerins offseason

Créé par: TanSor
Date de création initiale: sep 26, 2020
Publié: 27 sep à 12 h 48
Équipe: 2020-21 Wild du Minnesota
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Sturm, Nico2925 000 $
Kähkönen, Kaapo2925 000 $
Belpedio, Louis2925 000 $
Kylington, Oliver21 500 000 $
Gaudette, Adam43 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Soucy, Carson32 200 000 $
Transactions
MIN
  1. 2020 6e round pick (ARI)
Conditional 2020 6th: If Dubnyk plays 20 games the Wild receive a 2020 6th round pick. If Dubnyk meets that condition and has a SV% above .910, the Wild receive a 2020 4th round pick instead. If none of these conditions are met, the Wild receive nothing.
ARI
  1. Dubnyk, Devan (2 000 000 $ retained)
Détails additionnels:
Any team
MIN
  1. Monahan, Sean
  2. Kylington, Oliver [Droits de RFA]
CGY
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Kunin, Luke [Droits de RFA]
MIN
  1. Eriksson, Loui
  2. Gaudette, Adam [Droits de RFA]
VAN
  1. Rask, Victor
  2. Greenway, Jordan [Droits de RFA]
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Devan Dubnyk: 2 000 000 $ (92,31%)
  • Devan Dubnyk: 2 166 666 $ (50%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
ARI
MIN
2021
MIN
PIT
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
2022
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
MIN
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $80 782 755 $0 $925 000 $717 245 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
MIN
Fiala, Kevin
3 000 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
CGY
Monahan, Sean
6 375 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
MIN
Zuccarello, Mats
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
MIN
Johansson, Marcus
4 500 000 $
C, AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
MIN
Eriksson Ek, Joel
1 487 500 $
C
RFA - 1
MIN
Kaprizov, Kirill
925 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Parise, Zach
7 538 461 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
Gaudette, Adam
3 500 000 $
C
RFA - 1
MIN
Donato, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
MIN
Foligno, Marcus
2 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
MIN
Bjugstad, Nick
2 050 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
VAN
Eriksson, Loui
6 000 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Suter, Ryan
7 538 461 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 5
MIN
Spurgeon, Jared
7 575 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 7
MIN
Stalock, Alex
785 000 $
G
UFA - 2
MIN
Brodin, Jonas
4 166 667 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 1
MIN
Soucy, Carson
2 200 000 $
D
UFA - 3
MIN
Kähkönen, Kaapo
925 000 $
G
RFA - 2
Kylington, Oliver
1 500 000 $
DG
RFA
MIN
Belpedio, Louis
925 000 $
DD
RFA
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MIN
Hartman, Ryan
1 900 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 1
MIN
Hunt, Brad
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
MIN
Pateryn, Greg
2 250 000 $
DD
UFA - 1

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27 sep à 12 h 50
#1
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Fire Guerin and bring back Fenton.
27 sep à 12 h 53
#2
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Canucks accept. You can swap out greenway with a pick
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27 sep à 12 h 56
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Quoting: wabit
Fire Guerin and bring back Fenton.


I know you're not a fan of Monahan lol
27 sep à 12 h 57
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Quoting: The_Rocket
Canucks accept. You can swap out greenway with a pick


With this team we'd have to move one of Greenway or Donato, we'd have too many players otherwise
27 sep à 13 h 00
#5
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Quoting: TanSor
With this team we'd have to move one of Greenway or Donato, we'd have too many players otherwise


I’d take donato instead
27 sep à 13 h 01
#6
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Dumba didn't have that much value before, and he definitely doesn't have the value now. Everyone knows he's gonna be left exposed in the expansion draft. No team is gonna overpay for him. You'd be lucky to get a young 3C that might turn into a 2C but you won't get someone like Monahan.
27 sep à 13 h 02
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Quoting: TanSor
With this team we'd have to move one of Greenway or Donato, we'd have too many players otherwise


The team is worse than it was a year ago when Fenton was canned. A big plus is Fenton would run Spurgeon out of town.
27 sep à 13 h 02
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Dumba didn't have that much value before, and he definitely doesn't have the value now. Everyone knows he's gonna be left exposed in the expansion draft. No team is gonna overpay for him. You'd be lucky to get a young 3C that might turn into a 2C but you won't get someone like Monahan.


Why would we expose him? You really think he's worth exposing over Kunin/Greenway/Donato? Well just protect 8 skaters...
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27 sep à 13 h 03
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Quoting: The_Rocket
I’d take donato instead


He's the one I'd rather keep, scored very well at 5 on 5 I'd like to see him get more ice time
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27 sep à 13 h 04
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Quoting: wabit
The team is worse than it was a year ago when Fenton was canned. A big plus is Fenton would run Spurgeon out of town.


I mean I think that's more a product of our players aging than anything Guerin did... But of course the roster is worse, he moved Zucker for futures. Addison looks fantastic and we'll see what that pick turns into. The way Pittsburgh is trending it could be a lotto pick
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27 sep à 13 h 10
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Quoting: TanSor
Why would we expose him? You really think he's worth exposing over Kunin/Greenway/Donato? Well just protect 8 skaters...


Zuccarello, Parise, Eriksson Ek, Kunin, and Greenway. Are just 5 forwards as of now that would be protected. Young guys like Kunin and Greenway shouldn't be left exposed when they can still develop.

Wild fans need to realize that Dumba isn't as valuable as they think just because he's a right handed d-man.
27 sep à 13 h 10
#12
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Quoting: TanSor
He's the one I'd rather keep, scored very well at 5 on 5 I'd like to see him get more ice time


As frustrated as Greenway makes me most of the time, I wouldn’t trade him for 3 Donatos!

As for the rest of this, I (somewhat reluctantly) would be onboard with these moves. I would, however, play Sturm at the 4C and use Bjugstad/Donato or Greenway/Ericksson/Hartman, et al as rotational pieces based on injuries and matchups.
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27 sep à 13 h 16
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Quoting: MNBassman
As frustrated as Greenway makes me most of the time, I wouldn’t trade him for 3 Donatos!

As for the rest of this, I (somewhat reluctantly) would be onboard with these moves. I would, however, play Sturm at the 4C and use Bjugstad/Donato or Greenway/Ericksson/Hartman, et al as rotational pieces based on injuries and matchups.


I know you're a big Greenway guy but I don't ever see him reaching his potential unless he magically grows a mean bone
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27 sep à 13 h 18
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Quoting: MNBassman
What we don’t need to realize is the fact you know nothing about the Wild’s roster...


I typically just ignore this guy when he talks about Dumba. He acts like Dumba murdered his family and that he belongs in the AHL.
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27 sep à 13 h 32
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Quoting: MNBassman
What we don’t need to realize is the fact you know nothing about the Wild’s roster...


Sorry, guess I'll have to double check with you for everything about the Wild..

Quoting: TanSor
I typically just ignore this guy when he talks about Dumba. He acts like Dumba murdered his family and that he belongs in the AHL.


Never said he belonged in the AHL. Just said he isn't as good as Wild fans think. He's a second pairing guy that needs support in order to excel. He's a liability in his own end. Yes he provides some offence and plays physical, but when his job is to defend as a defence men first, and he doesn't do that well, he isn't that valuable. Sorry for stating facts that you can't handle.
27 sep à 13 h 37
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Quoting: TanSor
I know you're a big Greenway guy but I don't ever see him reaching his potential unless he magically grows a mean bone


Im only big on what Greenway CAN become, and is occasionally...not what he is most of the time. I wouldn’t shed a tear if both get moved.
The reason I would keep Greenway over Donato is because I dont think Donato is a full time NHL player. If he plays 80 games at 15 minutes a night, teams will easily figure out how to eliminate him and expose him for everything he isn’t...which is a lot!!!
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27 sep à 13 h 46
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Sorry, guess I'll have to double check with you for everything about the Wild..



Never said he belonged in the AHL. Just said he isn't as good as Wild fans think. He's a second pairing guy that needs support in order to excel. He's a liability in his own end. Yes he provides some offence and plays physical, but when his job is to defend as a defence men first, and he doesn't do that well, he isn't that valuable. Sorry for stating facts that you can't handle.


Sure that's relatively accurate last year, but he's coming off a torn pec and wasn't scoring. That's Dumba's problem: when he doesn't score, he pinches in the offensive zone and forces plays which takes away his best defensive attribute, defending against the rush (which he's very good at). Two seasons ago he was dominant on a nightly basis and was our best defenseman since he was scoring and didn't feel the need to pinch and was then able to defend against the rush. The season prior to that he was nearly as good, he definitely belonged on the top pairing. That's what you're trading for with Dumba and he showed signs of that player during the play-ins. I get that you're a Leafs fan and don't want him in Toronto, which is fine I don't think he's the best fit in Toronto eother, but blatantly ignoring what he has done in his career and focusing on his stats last year is just downright ignorant.
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27 sep à 14 h 09
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Quoting: TanSor
Sure that's relatively accurate last year, but he's coming off a torn pec and wasn't scoring. That's Dumba's problem: when he doesn't score, he pinches in the offensive zone and forces plays which takes away his best defensive attribute, defending against the rush (which he's very good at). Two seasons ago he was dominant on a nightly basis and was our best defenseman since he was scoring and didn't feel the need to pinch and was then able to defend against the rush. The season prior to that he was nearly as good, he definitely belonged on the top pairing. That's what you're trading for with Dumba and he showed signs of that player during the play-ins. I get that you're a Leafs fan and don't want him in Toronto, which is fine I don't think he's the best fit in Toronto eother, but blatantly ignoring what he has done in his career and focusing on his stats last year is just downright ignorant.


You're actually just adding to the case that he's not that good. Saying he's coming off an injury which he wasn't able to rebound from. & saying it's been multiple seasons since he's been "good".. teams aren't gonna pay for what Dumba WAS. They'll pay for what he IS. Which is a #3 or 4 guy. He's a younger right handed version of Dion Phaneuf. Which isn't anything special.
27 sep à 14 h 12
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
You're actually just adding to the case that he's not that good. Saying he's coming off an injury which he wasn't able to rebound from. & saying it's been multiple seasons since he's been "good".. teams aren't gonna pay for what Dumba WAS. They'll pay for what he IS. Which is a #3 or 4 guy. He's a younger right handed version of Dion Phaneuf. Which isn't anything special.


Tearing a pec takes time to recover from... And you also ignored that I said "he showed signs of that player during the play-ins."
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27 sep à 14 h 13
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
You're actually just adding to the case that he's not that good. Saying he's coming off an injury which he wasn't able to rebound from. & saying it's been multiple seasons since he's been "good".. teams aren't gonna pay for what Dumba WAS. They'll pay for what he IS. Which is a #3 or 4 guy. He's a younger right handed version of Dion Phaneuf. Which isn't anything special.


Dumba is just a RH (and better) Rielly.
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27 sep à 14 h 39
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Quoting: wabit
Dumba is just a RH (and better) Rielly.


LOL
27 sep à 14 h 43
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Ah, a chance to discuss rational observations and moves with reasonable, knowledgeable people (not just the OP) . . .

{reads posted construction}

$hit, nothing to discuss . . .
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27 sep à 14 h 48
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Ah, a chance to discuss rational observations and moves with reasonable, knowledgeable people (not just the OP) . . .

{reads posted construction}

$hit, nothing to discuss . . .


Ha! Curious what you think about the trades. I'm surprised nobody has commented on the Dubnyk trade, I'm obviously biased but I feel it's a pretty realistic trade with low risk and potentially high reward if a team has the $2M in cap to take him on.
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27 sep à 14 h 52
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Quoting: TanSor
Ha! Curious what you think about the trades. I'm surprised nobody has commented on the Dubnyk trade, I'm obviously biased but I feel it's a pretty realistic trade with low risk and potentially high reward if a team has the $2M in cap to take him on.


I don't think anyone really cares if Dub is traded, sent to the AHL, sits in the pressbox, or gets a chance in training camp to find his old game.
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27 sep à 15 h 02
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Quoting: TanSor
Ha! Curious what you think about the trades. I'm surprised nobody has commented on the Dubnyk trade, I'm obviously biased but I feel it's a pretty realistic trade with low risk and potentially high reward if a team has the $2M in cap to take him on.


I think the Calgary and Vancouver trades are fair and meet all three teams' needs.

I like the Dubnyk thinking. With Philadelphia potentially losing Elliott and Dallas potentially losing Khudobin, and a couple of other goalie vacancies opening up, I can see this sort of deal happening. Even Detroit might take this flyer. My only criticism is that you were thinking about the scheme so much you didn't notice you were typing "2020" instead of "2021."
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