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Équipe: 2020-21 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 1 sept. 2020
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Freddie -> Sad to see him in the news that he is on the trade block. I understand that he is likely past the point where Dubas would feel comfortable in signing him, especially since he will be 30+ on his next contract and "on the decline".

Freddie had a poor season to his standards, but had an incredible playoffs. There is no reason to believe that he is at fault for losing the Leafs that first round to Columbus. The Jackets were hungrier and Marincin is a terrible, terrible defenseman at the NHL level, and was exposed time and time again, leaving Freddie out to dry.

The trade is to improve the Leafs defence and the Hurricanes goaltending. The Hurricanes would have one of the best tandems not named Fleury/Lehner in the NHL and it would give Freddie enough rest throughout the course of the season to where he could legitimately win a cup in Carolina with the Hurricanes.

The return is Pesce. I'm sorry Caniac2000. Every Leaf fan loves Pesce, because he is exactly what the Leafs need for Rielly. Hopefully Pesce elevates Rielly's game and vice versa like the Pesce-Slaavin pair does.

Some stats for Caniac2000 because I'm expecting a reply of "Reimer is a superior goalie to Andersen, this trade is awful. Jmac490 stop making Toronto and Carolina threads"

Andersen (2019/2020 stats): GP: 52 W: 29 L: 13 OTL/SOL: 7, Shots faced: 1577 SV%: .909, GAA: 2.85, SO: 3 GSAA: -0.40
Andersen (Career as a Leaf): SV%: 0.916, GAA: 2.77, GSAA: 35.6 (he shouldn't be stopping as many pucks as he is)
Andersen (Playoffs vs Columbus): SV% 0.936, GAA: 1.84

Reimer (2019/2020 stats): GP: 25, W: 14, L: 6, OTL/SOL: 2, Shots faced: 712, SV% 0.914, GAA: 2.66, SO: 3 GSAA: 3.38

Andersen would be a quality starter for the Hurricanes, while Reimer and Campbell could be 1B goalies (think Koskinen/Smith) in Toronto.

I personally feel like the skill difference between Pesce and Holl is equivalent to the skill difference between Reimer and Andersen.


Johnsson -> This one is tough. I think he will sadly be a cap casualty, and he won't recoup the assets that Dubas wants/needs. San Jose Fans seem to really like him, so I will ship him out there.

Middleton could be an interesting depth piece at RHD who plays a physical game. Likely starts the season in the AHL for the Leafs/Marlies but he could grow into a bottom 4 physical defenseman for the Leafs.


Kerfoot -> After the playoffs he had, I think that the Leafs would be stupid to trade him. Kerfoot played a very energy heavy game and tried to provide a spark for the Leafs. I think he was one of the best forwards for the Leafs this offseason. The Robertson/Kerfoot/Kappy line impressed me immensely and I was pretty sad to see Kappy go.


Engvall -> Maybe trade him for a guy that hits more often? I'm pretty impressed with Reaves, but the Leafs would need to add a bit.


Rodrigues -> Not paying this guy 2M, ship him to a team like Minny who wants Centers for like a 7th
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1 sept. 2020 à 14 h 1
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delete this quickly before canes fans see the Pesce deal omg
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canes deal isnt close
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The last thing the Wild needs is another bottom 6 winger. Easy pass.
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Canes reject, look to FA if they want to upgrade goaltending this off season
1 sept. 2020 à 14 h 14
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I really think that Brett Pesce is overrated by many canes fans.
When i watch a top five defenceman (Josi, Hedman, Hamilton, Jones, Etc.), I notice that player. Meanwhile, when I watch Pesce, he really doesn't blow my socks off and doesn't show me that he's worth Nylander (as canes fans say he is). Don't get me wrong, I think that Pesce is a good stay-at-home defenseman, and someone that the leafs could use on their blueline, I just don't see him as being worth Nylander.
I've probably watched about 20 hurricanes games this season/playoffs and last season/playoffs, and he never gave me that absolute wow factor that say Seth Jones and Zach Werenski showed me this playoffs against Toronto.

Point in case, is that Pesce has never ever proved to me that hes is worth Nylander in a trade, and that Hurricanes fans overrate him. Change my mind.
1 sept. 2020 à 14 h 33
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Here we go again. Pesce the player in a vacuum, has a lower value. Sure.

Trades aren’t done in a vacuum

A. He has a great contract.
2. A premier shutdown defender that never gets to show off his scoring in favorable matchups. He gets just as many top line draws as Slavin with 0 PP time.
3. On top of that, he is the only long term RHD we have.

Knowing all those 3 things, we don’t have to trade/ want to trade him. If ya want him, the organizational price is to be paid based on his value to the organization. Same reason we don’t value Andersen that high no matter how much you tell us what he is worth.

So if we could put a cease on the Pesce trades that would be great.
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No. Carolina will not part with a top 15 D man, top 10 RD and a goaltending upgrade for a SIGNIFICANTLY worse RD, a goaltender with a worse save percentage this past year, and comparable career average, and a 4th. No.


Pesce will not be traded to Toronto without William Nylander coming the other way
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Quoting: MitchMarner_16
I really think that Brett Pesce is overrated by many canes fans.
When i watch a top five defenceman (Josi, Hedman, Hamilton, Jones, Etc.), I notice that player. Meanwhile, when I watch Pesce, he really doesn't blow my socks off and doesn't show me that he's worth Nylander (as canes fans say he is). Don't get me wrong, I think that Pesce is a good stay-at-home defenseman, and someone that the leafs could use on their blueline, I just don't see him as being worth Nylander.
I've probably watched about 20 hurricanes games this season/playoffs and last season/playoffs, and he never gave me that absolute wow factor that say Seth Jones and Zach Werenski showed me this playoffs against Toronto.

Point in case, is that Pesce has never ever proved to me that hes is worth Nylander in a trade, and that Hurricanes fans overrate him. Change my mind.


You know what...the majority of what you say here is absolutely true. From a true-skill value, sure, Pesce isn't worth Nylander. Here's the issue with this thinking though:
-Leafs need (or perhaps 'want' is a better word to use) an elite RD.
-Every team needs (or wants) elite RD.
-There is a shortage of elite RD's.
-There is an even greater shortage of elite RD's available.
-Carolina was extremely successful with their D-core.
-Given the demand for elite RD's, if Carolina was to choose to trade away Pesce, there would be a large number of suitors, which drives the price up.

Again, Carolina has no real reason to move him-so essentially you have to give them an offer they can't refuse, which Freddie and Holl are definitely not.
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The last thing the Wild needs is another bottom 6 winger. Easy pass.


He's a C no? If he's a bottom 6 winger, I get that
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No. Carolina will not part with a top 15 D man, top 10 RD and a goaltending upgrade for a SIGNIFICANTLY worse RD, a goaltender with a worse save percentage this past year, and comparable career average, and a 4th. No.


Pesce will not be traded to Toronto without William Nylander coming the other way


I love you, I really do. I literally wrote the description for you. It would mean a lot if you read it for me.

I would give you Nylander in a heartbeat, but Dubas probably won't.

Nylander for Pesce + Foegele is something I'd be interested in personally
1 sept. 2020 à 18 h 23
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I love you, I really do. I literally wrote the description for you. It would mean a lot if you read it for me.

I would give you Nylander in a heartbeat, but Dubas probably won't.

Nylander for Pesce + Foegele is something I'd be interested in personally


It'd have to be Nylander + for Pesce + Foegele

Also, if you want me to read the description, gimme a Tl;dr
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It'd have to be Nylander + for Pesce + Foegele

Also, if you want me to read the description, gimme a Tl;dr


The return is Pesce.I'm sorry Caniac2000. Every Leaf fan loves Pesce, because he is exactly what the Leafs need for Rielly. Hopefully Pesce elevates Rielly's game and vice versa like the Pesce-Slaavin pair does.

Some stats for Caniac2000 because I'm expecting a reply of "Reimer is a superior goalie to Andersen, this trade is awful. Jmac490 stop making Toronto and Carolina threads"

Andersen (2019/2020 stats): GP: 52 W: 29 L: 13 OTL/SOL: 7, Shots faced: 1577 SV%: .909, GAA: 2.85, SO: 3 GSAA: -0.40
Andersen (Career as a Leaf): SV%: 0.916, GAA: 2.77, GSAA: 35.6 (he shouldn't be stopping as many pucks as he is)
Andersen (Playoffs vs Columbus): SV% 0.936, GAA: 1.84

Reimer (2019/2020 stats): GP: 25, W: 14, L: 6, OTL/SOL: 2, Shots faced: 712, SV% 0.914, GAA: 2.66, SO: 3 GSAA: 3.38

Andersen would be a quality starter for the Hurricanes, while Reimer and Campbell could be 1B goalies (think Koskinen/Smith) in Toronto.

I personally feel like the skill difference between Pesce and Holl is equivalent to the skill difference between Reimer and Andersen.
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The return is Pesce.I'm sorry Caniac2000. Every Leaf fan loves Pesce, because he is exactly what the Leafs need for Rielly. Hopefully Pesce elevates Rielly's game and vice versa like the Pesce-Slaavin pair does.

Some stats for Caniac2000 because I'm expecting a reply of "Reimer is a superior goalie to Andersen, this trade is awful. Jmac490 stop making Toronto and Carolina threads"

Andersen (2019/2020 stats): GP: 52 W: 29 L: 13 OTL/SOL: 7, Shots faced: 1577 SV%: .909, GAA: 2.85, SO: 3 GSAA: -0.40
Andersen (Career as a Leaf): SV%: 0.916, GAA: 2.77, GSAA: 35.6 (he shouldn't be stopping as many pucks as he is)
Andersen (Playoffs vs Columbus): SV% 0.936, GAA: 1.84

Reimer (2019/2020 stats): GP: 25, W: 14, L: 6, OTL/SOL: 2, Shots faced: 712, SV% 0.914, GAA: 2.66, SO: 3 GSAA: 3.38

Andersen would be a quality starter for the Hurricanes, while Reimer and Campbell could be 1B goalies (think Koskinen/Smith) in Toronto.

I personally feel like the skill difference between Pesce and Holl is equivalent to the skill difference between Reimer and Andersen.


Reimer and Andersen are very comparable. Pesce and Holl are not.
2 sept. 2020 à 15 h 58
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Quoting: Caniac2000
Reimer and Andersen are very comparable. Pesce and Holl are not.


I really don't think that Reimer and Andersen are comparable...

Reimer hasn't been a starting goalie for 4+ years. 110 Games Started over 3 seasons with Panthers, split time with Mrazek in Carolina. Its much harder to sustain GAA and SV% over 50+ games, as opposed to 30 or less.

I do agree that Pesce and Holl are not comparables, but saying that Andersen and Reimer are close is also false imo
2 sept. 2020 à 16 h 39
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I really don't think that Reimer and Andersen are comparable...

Reimer hasn't been a starting goalie for 4+ years. 110 Games Started over 3 seasons with Panthers, split time with Mrazek in Carolina. Its much harder to sustain GAA and SV% over 50+ games, as opposed to 30 or less.

I do agree that Pesce and Holl are not comparables, but saying that Andersen and Reimer are close is also false imo


Both have been starters for a similar amount of years because Reimer was kind of fed to the wolves, and when you consider there's only 3 years difference between them in age, and a 0.003 difference in career save percentage, I think it's much closer. Freddie also started his career behind that Anaheim powerhouse defence
 
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