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Barzal In - Gaudreau Out

Créé par: BurnEmUp
Équipe: 2020-21 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 29 juill. 2020
Publié: 30 juill. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
1. I know the Rangers would rather move Trouba or Deangelo and keep Lundkvist
2. Flames fans will say we are getting screwed in the Flyers trade, and Flyers fans will say they are the ones getting screwed
3. I know Barzal is the Isles #1 C "and they have to match that"
4. Yes Viqsi, I know you love Josh and would rather the Jackets just keep him than trade him for a 2nd lol
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3925 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
712 000 000 $
32 250 000 $
1787 500 $
1787 500 $
1874 125 $
22 500 000 $
33 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
1750 000 $
1750 000 $
12 500 000 $
Offres hostiles
Le salaire annuel moyen (AAV) de l'offre hostile est calculé en divisant la valeur totale du contrat par: 1. La durée totale du contrat, ou 2. Cinq ans
JOUEURAAVCOMPENSATION
Barzal, Mathew16 800 000 $Aucune compensation
Transactions
1.
CGY
    Barzal offer sheet compensation
    NYI
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
    Détails additionnels:
    2023 1st round pick (CGY)
    2024 1st round pick (CGY)
    2.
    CGY
    1. Farabee, Joel
    2. Patrick, Nolan [Droits de RFA]
    3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2021 (PHI)
    3.
    CGY
    1. Georgiev, Alexandar [Droits de RFA]
    2. Lundkvist, Nils [Liste de réserve]
    4.
    CGY
    1. Anderson, Josh [Droits de RFA]
    CBJ
    1. Phillips, Matthew
    2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (CGY)
    Rachats de contrats
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
    2020
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de SJS
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    2021
    Logo de PHI
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    2022
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    Logo de CGY
    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2381 500 000 $73 638 291 $0 $957 500 $7 861 709 $

    Formation

    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
    AD
    UFA - 2
    12 000 000 $12 000 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 7
    Logo de Flyers de Philadelphie
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance500 000 $$500K)
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 4
    874 125 $874 125 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance32 500 $$32K)
    AG, AD, C
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
    AG, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    3 375 000 $3 375 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 6
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    925 000 $925 000 $
    DD
    RFA
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
    DG
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    787 500 $787 500 $
    DG/DD
    UFA - 1
    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
    G
    UFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $
    AG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    787 500 $787 500 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Flames de Calgary
    750 000 $750 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    30 juill. 2020 à 14 h 7
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    LongtimeLeafsufferer
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    12m is way too high for Barzel. He's not the 2nd best player in the league. Spend 12m on UFAs and keep the four picks. Rangers can't take that additional cap hit. Flyers really don't need any wingers.
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    30 juill. 2020 à 14 h 24
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    Quoting: palhal
    12m is way too high for Barzel. He's not the 2nd best player in the league. Spend 12m on UFAs and keep the four picks. Rangers can't take that additional cap hit. Flyers really don't need any wingers.


    He's definitely not worth that, but he fits a need for Calgary and you have to make the offer sheet nearly impossible to match or what's the point?

    I'd spend $12 million on a 23 year old #1C with speed to burn, long before I wasted it on any of the UFA's this off season.
    30 juill. 2020 à 15 h 26
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    Quoting: Jacketsman61
    Look people need to stop underselling the Anderson trades. If the Jackets trade him, IF, he would bring back more than a 2nd round pick and some B or C prospect. He is not going to be traded as a discount. Stop peddling garbage for him.


    I've seen many jackets fans on this site accept trade offers for less than what this post proposes. You aren't getting a first round pick for a player coming off a crappy season with a brutal injury.
    30 juill. 2020 à 16 h 43
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    Quoting: Ajp_18
    If I’m Columbus I probably take that trade as Phillips had a good year in the AHL last year and is a center prospect, plus we are getting a 2nd back and Anderson goes out west where we don’t have to see him but twice a year.


    Small correction, Phillips is strictly RW. He does not play center. Flames best center prospect is Gawdin.
    30 juill. 2020 à 18 h 51
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Small correction, Phillips is strictly RW. He does not play center. Flames best center prospect is Gawdin.


    Oh, on here it had him listed as a center.
    30 juill. 2020 à 18 h 53
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    Oh, on here it had him listed as a center.


    It does, they also have Pelletier and Dube listed as Centers but they arent
    30 juill. 2020 à 23 h 17
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    Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
    Small correction, Phillips is strictly RW. He does not play center. Flames best center prospect is Gawdin.

    We've got a lot of RWs to juggle, so that kind of sharply reduces interest.
    30 juill. 2020 à 23 h 21
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    Quoting: Viqsi
    We've got a lot of RWs to juggle, so that kind of sharply reduces interest.


    Figured, IMO its probably similar to acquiring Bracco
    31 juill. 2020 à 14 h 39
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    Quoting: BurnEmUp
    Of course they do. They always easily decline everything. You must have that pasted on your clip board to make it easier. laugh


    @Sagecoll

    Press Release from NYR: In light of recent events, the Rangers organization has decided to remove all phones, fax machines, and internet capabilities from executive offices to avoid discussing a trade with any of the other 30 teams in the NHL for the rest of time. Rangers GM, Jeff Gorton, was quoted as saying, "It's simple: we can't make sense of ever trading any of our players, no matter what assets may come back in return. We will only ever draft players because trading is scary."

    C'mon man. Hanifin and Bennett as a package is easily worth: 1st + 2nd + 2nd as a starting point in just picks. And a mid-round 1st in the 2020 draft at that. The trade is certainly in the ballpark.

    Related reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect
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    31 juill. 2020 à 16 h 24
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    @Sagecoll

    Press Release from NYR: In light of recent events, the Rangers organization has decided to remove all phones, fax machines, and internet capabilities from executive offices to avoid discussing a trade with any of the other 30 teams in the NHL for the rest of time. Rangers GM, Jeff Gorton, was quoted as saying, "It's simple: we can't make sense of ever trading any of our players, no matter what assets may come back in return. We will only ever draft players because trading is scary."

    C'mon man. Hanifin and Bennett as a package is easily worth: 1st + 2nd + 2nd as a starting point in just picks. And a mid-round 1st in the 2020 draft at that. The trade is certainly in the ballpark.

    Related reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endowment_effect


    wow. well this certainly strikes as a mere-exposure effect issue on your part if that's your evaluation.

    My issue with the proposal simply is that the valuations you are speculating are not in accordance with reality.

    In terms of on-ice play over the past 2 seasons, Hanifin's on-ice value has been slightly above replacement. As an outsider who can trade with anyone, my options in terms of LHD who are 26 and under, have team control and cost less than Hanifin's cap hit are plentiful. Here's a small sample of players who have all had more on-ice value than Hanifin over the past 2 seasons. You'll notice that none of them will require an asking price of a 1st rounder much less your laughable asking price of a mid 2020 1st lol.

    hanifin-vs

    Objectively why would I target Hanifin over any of those other players if that's your asking price? To make it worse, all of those players will have less of a cap hit, some of them less than half the cap hit of Hanifin. It's honestly pretty ridiculous.

    But the comedy doesn't end there, the ask here wasn't even for picks it was for Nils Lundkvist, you know the guy who just set the U20 SHL scoring record for Dmen. The last time a defensive prospect in his ballpark was dealt, it was for Mark Stone.... this trade is essentially evaluating Mark Stone and Noah Hanifin as equals. Tough to beat that lol.

    You are willing to set your asking price wherever you like, but if you want to actually make a deal it'd be wise to move your offer in accordance with actual on-ice value.
     
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