Or leafs can trade the jackets a second and third for savard lol you really thought u did something slick

Leafs are not trading Kapanen for a rental defensemen and we can trade our second and a third for him as well.

Never said I came up with anything but rather saw this or something extremely similar (Bracco added) in a couple Columbus ACGMs. Also it’s not just a 2nd + 3rd when you’re a cap strapped team but let’s just forget that and go with personal attacks...


That’s fine if you don’t need the retention but that does hold value too so it’s not just a 2nd + 3rd.

Take soderberg off this thread man, guy stinks and we have plenty of other veterans to get us through the next 2 years. Wings have 0 need for another million year old guy during this rebuild

The only guy I think we should sign here is Greiss, aside from that. Build. Through. The. Draft.

The reason there are so many cap dump trades is that it is our best shot of getting more draft picks. The more draft picks we have, the more wild swings for the fences we have to get some elite talent.

I’m kind of found of his game. Got to watch him live a couple times in Arizona and thought 1-2 year deal he could be beneficial. Could also go after someone like Haula on a short term prove it deal.

You can still build through the draft with this model. You’d accumulate picks by shipping off the UFAs at TDL. Just trying something different than the typical Van, NYI, etc cap dumps since everyone on these forum think it’s going to be easy to offload cap this offseason.

That is not sufficient for Savard. We're not giving up on him early unless you're willing to pay deadline day prices right now.

What would that price look like?

Your contracts are off. Evolving Hockey projects Mantha 4 yrs x $6.7M & Lil 'Bert 4 yrs @ $5.4M. Fabbri (cheaper) 2 yrs @2.5M. Increase the term and those dollar values go up as you are buying UFA years. I tend to think these players will sign bridge deals in the hopes that 2 years from now the NHL is in better economically with a new team and US TV deal.

The Leafs are screwed and are looking for LTIR contracts. I wouldn't be surprised if they or another team trades for Z's contract. Their fans along with those from St. Louis and Tampa have yet to come to terms that players will be traded for pennies on the dollar this offseason. Then you hear about how they just don't understand how the GM can make that trade. Then there is the matter of someone talking out of the wrong end: like for instance the fact that the Leafs don't have a 3rd round pick in the next two drafts so there's no way they can make a trade using one.

It'd strongly resemble the Muzzin deal.

No it wouldn't, Muzzin had 2 years left on his contract and is a much better player

Muzzin had one year and the post-deadline remainder left, and they're comparable in value. Just because you're getting sour grapes feelings about the guy being hard for Toronto to get doesn't mean he's suddenly useless.

Do they have the comps they’ve utilized for those predictions? I’d wager they probably use a formula but that will need to be tweaked for stagnant cap. Mantha for example at 6.7M is 8.22% cap hit while these have been signed the past couple years: W Karlsson (7.24), Ehlers (8), Guentzel (7.55), Teravainen (6.79), Huberdeau (8.08), and the only one that seems to be a match is Forsberg at (8.22). At the end of the day 250-500k isn’t going to kill us.


He’d be out of our price range then.

When did I say hes useless? I just made a valid point, you seem to be the sour one, Muzzin is certainly the better player of the two. Could see the return being similar with 50% retention on Savards contract

https://www.google.com/search and typing Evolving Hockey might give you some insight rather than me read it back to you. Yes, they adjusted for a flat cap.

RFA's don't price by % of cap deals they are pretty much set by those that came before.

I only asked as every time I try access info there you need to be a Patreon. Initial CH% is a good indication of salary (but like I said 250-500k isn’t going to break the bank). I provided some comps of players which side with my argument but if you want to go by their estimate by all means.

When you look at two guys both carrying second pairings and call the one on the weaker defense "much better", that tends to imply a rather skewed perspective on the other guy. Muzzin's seriously underrated, to be sure, but so is Savard. Muzzin scores more but Savard defends better and is much more physical.

What does a teams defense have to do with one player on the backend? Savard isn't what makes Columbus as good as they are defensively, the same way Muzzin isn't responsible for the Leafs lack of defense, its a system difference. Also, as for physicality, Muzzin hits as much if not slightly more than Savard. They're pretty even defensively and as you pointed out, Muzzin wins the offensive battle making him a better player

I agree that we have kinda run those possibilities slowly into the ground. However I would also be very surprised if there wasnt some trades in that vein this summer. The reason theyre so popular is they can fit the objectives of both teams.