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Créé par: Capitalfail67
Équipe: 2020-21 Sabres de Buffalo
Date de création initiale: 17 juill. 2020
Publié: 17 juill. 2020
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im not a fan so dont kill.i also know that Jokiharju is the greatest rhd ever to play but he is more like what the flames would want for JG.

i hate Brett Hull ..... see i come in peace
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flames get a solid young RHD and a top 10 draft pick...2nd and average prospect.

idk if the flames would want more. JG is really good but he only has 2 years left
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17 juill. 2020 à 12 h 51
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if my aunt had a dik she would be my uncle .... hard to say what would have happened but what actually happened was you missed the playoffs. this team obviously needs to improve and from what ive gathered the fans dont want to move anything good to get anything good so its just a lose lose

They need a 2c they have Olofsson, Skinner and Johansson at LW next year..
17 juill. 2020 à 12 h 53
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my biggest issue with Buffalo fans is you guys want to improve your roster but refuse to offer anything of value. you need to giveup something good to get something good. cant keep trading CM and Risto for great returns. nobody is going to do that. so either make a fair deal with solid players or have Jack request a trade out


My biggest problem with people like you is that you don't know what the team needs. We need 2C and top 9 RW, we do not need Johnny Gaudreau for such a price, since he is a LW. I would love to consider our #8 deal for 2C. Risto may well return the top 9 RW in the deal. So Buffalo is still decline out on this deal.
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 0
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The Sabres have to pay Sam this year and then Dahlin next year. They are going to have very limited cap to work with in 2 years to resign a player that will command what Gaudreu commands so in all likelihood he is at best a 2 yr rental. If he were the one piece that could put them over the top next year and make them a contender I would do this but he is not. They still need to find a 2C, with this trade a top 4 RD, a top 6 RW and they ha ive traded their best asset that could have been used to acquire those pieces


Cozen could become a 2c med season play Mojo 2c to start then see how Cozen does. hes a top 10 prospect for a reason, right? JG is a 80-90 point player he absolute would be a difference maker imo
17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 0
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Flames 1000000000000% decline this garbage trade


Dude thats a crazy overpayment. Chill out you overvalue flames guys soooo hard
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 2
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My biggest problem with people like you is that you don't know what the team needs. We need 2C and top 9 RW, we do not need Johnny Gaudreau for such a price, since he is a LW. I would love to consider our #8 deal for 2C. Risto may well return the top 9 RW in the deal. So Buffalo is still decline out on this deal.


you have a top 10 C prospect and if you need a fill in 2c you can get Strome for 2nd round pick.
17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 3
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“garbage trade”. what a clown


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garbage trade? you guys have the worse prospect pool in the NHL and you can get a young top 4 RHD a top 10 pick for a lw coming off a down year. JG is really good but garbage trade seems extreme? sounds like you think with your heart and not your brain


Lol dont worry this guy is the biggest homer, he overvalues every flames guy by a mile
17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 7
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you have a top 10 C prospect and if you need a fill in 2c you can get Strome for 2nd round pick.


Which one? Ryan Strome is definitely not the answer to place 2C, Dylan might be. We need to put Skinner with Eichel and not trade for Johnny Hockey. Skinner scored 40 goals with Eichel. He even scored goals last season with Johansson and Sobotka until Sobotka was injured. Also, we still need to draw prospects, and it would be foolish to trade Jokiharju, because he already has the potential of defender #2 and will be paired with Dahlin for the next 10-15 years.
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 13
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Lol dont worry this guy is the biggest homer, he overvalues every flames guy by a mile


i mean i understand JG is really good but how could you argue with this return for him? JG for mcdavid 50% retained would be more likely fair?
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 17
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Dude thats a crazy overpayment. Chill out you overvalue flames guys soooo hard



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Lol dont worry this guy is the biggest homer, he overvalues every flames guy by a mile


Ok, but if you think the proposed deal is a crazy overpayment by BUF then you are undervaluing Flames players by a mile.
17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 18
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Kinda seems like an overpay by BUF. Don't they need centers and not wingers anyways? you could probably pry Cierreli out of Tampa for less than this
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 23
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Cozen could become a 2c med season play Mojo 2c to start then see how Cozen does. hes a top 10 prospect for a reason, right? JG is a 80-90 point player he absolute would be a difference maker imo


Mojo was a disaster at center last year that was this teams single biggest issue we put him back at wing and he was a productive player again, but have no interest in seeing him play 2C or even 3C for that matter
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 38
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Kinda seems like an overpay by BUF. Don't they need centers and not wingers anyways? you could probably pry Cierreli out of Tampa for less than this


they need brain surgery but only have band aids and peroxide
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17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 48
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Flames 1000000000000% decline this garbage trade


Hold up, that offer is actually pretty solid. I'm personally as high on Jokiharju as I am on Valimaki.
17 juill. 2020 à 13 h 51
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I think this trade is in the ballpark. The Hall trade from NJ to ARI is a good comp -- he was traded in the final year of his deal, so there is a big term differential there that seems to be balanced out in this deal. Johnny would love to play with Eichel for the next two years before signing a bigger ticket...who wouldn't? I'd probably run the top 2 lines like this after the trade:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Skinner
Oloffson - Cozens - Reinhart

Skinner is already signed -- might as well play him with guys who can get him back to 40G. He has the skill to do it.

Interesting deal, nice work.
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17 juill. 2020 à 14 h 3
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17 juill. 2020 à 14 h 7
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Skinner might be a Okoposo 2.0 id say after lasst season you have 1 good lw and 1 potentially good lw.... JG with Eichel will get 90-100 points. you dont have an ELite LW


Skinner will most likely rebound and play a similar game that he did in Carolina, especially is Ralph figures out he is best next to Eichel.
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Skinner will most likely rebound and play a similar game that he did in Carolina, especially is Ralph figures out he is best next to Eichel.


hopefully. i like skinner
17 juill. 2020 à 14 h 57
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I think this trade is in the ballpark. The Hall trade from NJ to ARI is a good comp -- he was traded in the final year of his deal, so there is a big term differential there that seems to be balanced out in this deal. Johnny would love to play with Eichel for the next two years before signing a bigger ticket...who wouldn't? I'd probably run the top 2 lines like this after the trade:

Gaudreau - Eichel - Skinner
Oloffson - Cozens - Reinhart

Skinner is already signed -- might as well play him with guys who can get him back to 40G. He has the skill to do it.

Interesting deal, nice work.


I would definitely run Gaudreau on a different line from Eichel, let each drive a line so you can spread the offensive pressure. Same way Drai and McDavid dont play on the same line anymore. Or Kane and Toews
17 juill. 2020 à 15 h 46
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
if my aunt had a dik she would be my uncle .... hard to say what would have happened but what actually happened was you missed the playoffs. this team obviously needs to improve and from what ive gathered the fans dont want to move anything good to get anything good so its just a lose lose


Laughed out loud - one of the best rebuttals I have seen on this site in ages!
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17 juill. 2020 à 18 h 17
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I would definitely run Gaudreau on a different line from Eichel, let each drive a line so you can spread the offensive pressure. Same way Drai and McDavid dont play on the same line anymore. Or Kane and Toews


I hear what you're saying. And we have seen that strategy work. But I look at a line like Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak, or Landeskog - Mackinnon - Rantanen...and those are the types of lines that can single-handedly win games. I think the best play for Eichel and for the BUF locker room would be to give Eichel every chance to put up 40G and 100+ points. And if you can get another 30-40G out of Skinner on that line because of Gaudreau's playmaking ability....well now you're looking at a line that has the skill and ability to score 100+ goals together. And then you follow it up with a 2nd line that can score quite a bit (Oloffson - Cozens - Reinhart).

IF -- and it's obviously a purely hypothetical 'if' in this post -- BUF was able to acquire Gaudreau, I just don't see him being used most effectively with Reinhart/Cozens/Oloffson (some combination of these guys).

Eichel would be the most elite player than Gaudreau has ever played on a line with. Eichel's speed, hands, creativity, and shot create a lot of space on the ice, and that probably makes Gaudreau even more lethal than he's been in Calgary with Monahan, who isn't known for his speed. The other factor here is that if a team pays the steep price to acquire Gaudreau, they will certainly be doing it with the mindset of trying to extend him. Related: Tavares was sold on joining Toronto largely because of the "you'll have Mitch Marner stapled to your wing" spiel (or at least that's a key part of the stories told in the media). I think BUF would have a really good chance of extending Gaudreau if the plan was to play him with Eichel consistently.

Just my two pennies.
 
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