Okay, so I don’t expect this to happen, but it’s fun to think about adding some high picks in the upcoming draft. Colorado has assets and cap space to play with, so might as well get a little crazy. Pretty sure most of you will hate it. Anyway, here goes…
The Avs part with one of the best prospects in hockey, along with Compher and a pretty decent prospect with a cool nickname (Rambo Santa), but add an underrated player in Danault, a good young defenseman in Mete, and a couple of high picks. The first rounder would need to be conditional for the Habs to consider this. If they end up with #1 overall, then the pick moves to next year and they add their second in 2020 to the package.
Colorado then turns around and moves Zadorov, Donskoi, and a couple picks they acquired to Florida for their first and a defensive depth option in Priskie. The same conditions on the Montreal pick would probably have to apply here as well.
Finally, the team uses its remaining cap space to take on Bjugstad from the Pens. They move up in the draft for their troubles. Perhaps they can flip him during the year to a team that has had some injuries.
With the trades out of the way, Colorado then signs Toffoli in free agency. He fills the spot vacated by Donskoi on the second line.
The expansion draft gets a little crazier without Byram, who would be exempt, but I think it’s workable. For forwards, the team protects the entire first and third lines but leaves both Toffoli and Kadri unprotected. The protect Makar, Girard, and Graves (Johnson waives his NMC) on D, and then Grubauer as well. This means Seattle is essentially picking between Mete, Kadri, and Toffoli. I would assume they take one of the forwards, which helps from a cap perspective and allows the team to sign Makar, Landeskog, and whoever is left between Toffoli and Kadri to extensions.
I see the draft as bringing something like Zary, Lapierre, and O’Rourke, but sub in whoever you like.
Sakic and company would need like a whole year off to recovery from this, but it’s easy on CF! Feel free to rip me in the comments (I know you will)!
If Sakic moved Byram for that package, He should be fired immediately.
IDK, I view it as Byram for Danault, the first, and the second. Compher and Ranta would be for Mete. Seems at least somewhat reasonable. It's hard to value a prospect like that though. Danault would need to come with an extension. Probably should have mentioned that.
IDK, I view it as Byram for Danault, the first, and the second. Compher and Ranta would be for Mete. Seems at least somewhat reasonable. It's hard to value a prospect like that though. Danault would need to come with an extension. Probably should have mentioned that.
Danault is very good, Don't get me wrong. Just not sure he's Byram good but perhaps he is.
Danault is very good, Don't get me wrong. Just not sure he's Byram good but perhaps he is.
Agree, but it's (for illustration) him + Lapierre + another pick. That seems pretty decent for a prospect (even one as good as Byram), as there is still risk with any player that hasn't proven themselves in the NHL. It could very well turn out to be a big loss for Colorado, but I feel like they could take the chance since they already have Makar, Girard, and Timmins as puck moving defensemen. It could also turn out to be a huge loss for Montreal if Byram doesn't do what most of us expect.
Really I'm not even sure I'd do this. It's intriguing though (IMO).
no way in the Habs do this if it's 9th, if the Habs beat the pens however, I could see them doing it... but I see it as a mid first, capablen 5v5 1C, and solid top 4 guy for Byram (and a second for Ranta and Compher) but if it's 9th ovr, you're likely gonna get the same tier of prospect in 2020 as you could at 4 in 2019...
no way in the Habs do this if it's 9th, if the Habs beat the pens however, I could see them doing it... but I see it as a mid first, capablen 5v5 1C, and solid top 4 guy for Byram (and a second for Ranta and Compher) but if it's 9th ovr, you're likely gonna get the same tier of prospect in 2020 as you could at 4 in 2019...
Lots of unknowns, but like I said it's fun to at least kick it around. I have come to like Danault a lot, but I wouldn't say he's a 1C (at least not on a top end team). He's a guy I would absolutely be after if he was made available at the deadline or hit free agency though, so I figured why not include him in the above and see what the thoughts were.
that is an awful trade for the Avs, you upgrade Compher to Danault and downgrade from Byram to Mete for a high draft pick?
There is no good reason for this, this makes the team much worse preparing to go for a cup in the next few years.
If you want to upgrade Compher....you dont have to move Byram and Habs done have to move a top pick. No team wins out in this deal
No way Montreal does this trade, Danault may not be a 1C in any team but he is in Montreal so you're telling me I'll trade my 1C+Rossi/Quinn+Tuch/Villeneuve for a defenseman that has yet to play one game in this league?
I'd love to get my hands on Ranta if I'm Montreal but that's not how it'll happen.
No way Montreal does this trade, Danault may not be a 1C in any team but he is in Montreal so you're telling me I'll trade my 1C+Rossi/Quinn+Tuch/Villeneuve for a defenseman that has yet to play one game in this league?
I'd love to get my hands on Ranta if I'm Montreal but that's not how it'll happen.
Depends on how you feel about Byram. Defensive prospects like him aren't really readily available, so you'd have to pay a hefty price to get him. Danault only has one year left on his deal and could walk after that. If you add Compher, you have Domi, Suzuki, and Compher down the middle. That's not half bad, and it's all for the long term.
As you can see, Avs fans don't like it either. To me that implies it's somewhat in the neighborhood of being fair. Both teams move a strength to address a potential weakness. Admittedly it's really tough to come up with fair value here. Most likely neither team does it.
I definitely don't think it's awful. What, if anything, would you give up Byram for?
A young and proven 35+ goalscorer signed long-term with a good caphit would be just about the only thing I'd move Byram for. Someone like Kyle Connor who is 23, has three 30+ goal scoring seasons, and is signed at about $7m with term.
This AGM trade is really bad. There's a chance Avs are left with someone like Tyson Jost (10th overall pick) as the best part of the return after 1 season when Danault hits UFA.
A young and proven 35+ goalscorer signed long-term with a good caphit would be just about the only thing I'd move Byram for. Someone like Kyle Connor who is 23, has three 30+ goal scoring seasons, and is signed at about $7m with term.
This AGM trade is really bad. There's a chance Avs are left with someone like Tyson Jost (10th overall pick) as the best part of the return after 1 season when Danault hits UFA.
No, because Danault comes with an extension. There is zero chance they are left with a Jost as the best piece, as they'd have a quality 2C caliber player for 6ish years, a young, cost controlled defenseman for the foreseeable future, and two valuable picks in a good draft. The risk of keeping Byram is probably higher than making the trade.
A young and proven 35+ goalscorer signed long-term with a good caphit would be just about the only thing I'd move Byram for. Someone like Kyle Connor who is 23, has three 30+ goal scoring seasons, and is signed at about $7m with term.
This AGM trade is really bad. There's a chance Avs are left with someone like Tyson Jost (10th overall pick) as the best part of the return after 1 season when Danault hits UFA.
Avs can sign Erik Haula if they want help at 3C...you dont have to do a foolish trade moving a potential cornerstone piece in Byram. And thats what Danault is on the Avs...a 3C when you have Kadri Now and newhook later.
Just there is no reason to do this trade. Trade a potential top pairing Dman bc you want an expensive 3C
No, because Danault comes with an extension. There is zero chance they are left with a Jost as the best piece, as they'd have a quality 2C caliber player for 6ish years, a young, cost controlled defenseman for the foreseeable future, and two valuable picks in a good draft. The risk of keeping Byram is probably higher than making the trade.
Danault with an expensive is an expensive 3C on the Avs....there is just reckelss roster management. Hes not taking Kadris spot now...and hes not taking Newhook spot in 3 years when hes ready for 2C.
There is nothign gained here expected in bloated cap space that hurts you fill out the roster during the Mack Window
Danault with an expensive is an expensive 3C on the Avs....there is just reckelss roster management. Hes not taking Kadris spot now...and hes not taking Newhook spot in 3 years when hes ready for 2C.
There is nothign gained here expected in bloated cap space that hurts you fill out the roster during the Mack Window
I don't think so. The team is as deep as any out there. They have one of the best lines in hockey and essentially two second lines. That "third" line would play a ton of minutes and be able to effectively shut down the opposition, while also putting up points. I kinda love that line.
I would love to keep Byram too, but the point of this is to ask the question of whether Byram is more of a luxury with the team already having Makar, Girard, and Timmins. I think there is a decent argument that this results in a better overall product than just keeping Byram.
I do get why some are a no way on trading him for anything less than a star forward though.
I don't think so. The team is as deep as any out there. They have one of the best lines in hockey and essentially two second lines. That "third" line would play a ton of minutes and be able to effectively shut down the opposition, while also putting up points. I kinda love that line.
I would love to keep Byram too, but the point of this is to ask the question of whether Byram is more of a luxury with the team already having Makar, Girard, and Timmins. I think there is a decent argument that this results in a better overall product than just keeping Byram.
I do get why some are a no way on trading him for anything less than a star forward though.
You would love to keep Byram? What the heck are you talking about, hes going to be an impact Dman on an ELC. This is not a hard concept to follow, the top ranked drafted prospect in the nhl is not a trade chip for middle 6 players.
And if you want to update the 3C...you can just sign someone in UFA (Erik Haula for example), Danault is not some elite player you gotta have to complete the core. Its just reckless roster management and reckless cap management. That is now you start gutting your team bc you cant afford to fill out your roster bc you invested foolishing cap in depth positions.
You have almost every avs fans on this site posting how bad of a move this is, you arent goign to win this debate
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