I do actually. Just because he has the reputation as "one of the best in the league" does not mean he actually is.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1264259130157682690

Ehlers and Wheeler should both be on this list. Laine also is a RW.

That isn't a legit source... that is literally an article written by a nobody that has no idea what he is talking about... Again, NHL experts dude, do your research, from credible sources kid.

Pavelski is overated

Just my opinion
Guys ranked to low(though not a lot): Rantanen, Gallagher, Barkov
Guys ranked to high: DuClair, Pavelski, Tatar, Pacioretty, Bobrovsky, Murray

I'd have Marchand over Ovechkin



He isn't top10, currently. He is bad now. Maybe next season he'll be better or when LA is good again, but for now, he isn't.

At least half " NHL experts " use stats like +/-, hits/takeways to make their pick for the Selke.
At least half " NHL experts " only use stats like pts and +/- when they make their pick for the Norris
At least half " NHL experts " use stats like Wins, GAA (and SV%) to evaluate G/make their pick for Vezina.

Sometimes, they're right but sometimes, it's a disaster. Just like saying Doughty is a top10 D now.

Dahlin is one of the most sheltered 3rd pairing defensemen in the league. He's amazing offensively and he's going to be a stud, but he isn't ready to play against the big boys yet.

As such, an argument could be made that he shouldn't be on this list at all.

You're missing one of the top LW in the game today: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins.

And who are you to contradict them? Lol what is your title?

Please describe with all of your knowledge how Doughty is "bad"....

...........

They could tell you the Los Angeles Kings will win the Cup this year and you would believe them

I know your a LAK fan and you probably like/liked/love Doughty but try to use an objective view, as much as you can.
If you just want to believe Doughty is still good/elite and don't want to try to understand my point, I will tell you now, just stop reading and move on.



If it's not the case, you can just read those articles. It's well explained and very detailed.
(there are analytics AND videos if you prefer eye test)

https://jfresh.substack.com/p/drew-doughty-is-not-only-no-longer
https://jhanhky.substack.com/p/is-drew-doughty-still-good

(Second link has videos)

Maybe he'll be good next season, maybe in 2-3 years, maybe never again but currently, he is bad. Good thing is that you got several young promising D and the best prospect pool. It will just hurt the salary cap... one day.

That just proves to me how much you really dont know about hockey outside the Bruins, thank you very much. Good way to lose all credibility bud!

Just curious, who's your Norris pick this year?

That guy doesn't even know what he is talking about and analytics don't take being on a rebuilding team into consideration...
Imagine what Bergeron would look like if the Bruins were in a rebuild right now...

Josi.
And you? McAvoy?

At least, it's not Carlson.

Josi as well. McAvoy is in the top5, no bias. Just people loving pts that don't know that.

" That guy doesn't even know what he is talking about "
How doesn't he know what he's talking about? He is providing facts with justification. There is nothing false.

" and analytics don't take being on a rebuilding team into consideration... "
Ok, so because the team is rebuilding, it's okay that x player suck? It's the NHL, come on.

" Imagine what Bergeron would look like if the Bruins were in a rebuild right now... "
Easy to say and I could say he would still be good. But we're not rebuilding, unfortunately for you.
How is Kopitar still good then?

Top 5 lmao. I knew you'd say something stupid like that. Boston fans are incapable of evaluation their players without Bias. McAvoy has yet to reach over 35 points nobody with 35 points is ever considered to be even close to a top 3 Norris vote and I bet top 5 either.

I'll give you this though, the true meaning of a Norris winner has been watered down for years. It's all about points which is why Carlson will probably win it even though Josi is the better defender. If they took more defense performance into winning a Norris, Doughty would probably have 5. The overrated all offense no defense Karlsson would have 0.

Bergeron at his age on a rebuilding team would not be good, but you're right, luckily for you it's not happening. You're a Boston fan so you think all of your players are the league's best... Bias. I cant wait until 5 years when the Bruins a rebuilder and Kings are contenders with Kopitar and Doughty and have this conversation again. You'll be like I know McAvoy is only 27, but he's on a rebuilding team that's why he's a -20 with 30 points...

There are variables to stats, that's what you dumb analytics people can't figure out. You'll learn someday I'm sure. Maybe in 5 years when Boston is the worst team in the league...

Agreed with the second part. Carlson will probably win it anyways because they only care about pts.

The problem is that you contradict yourself. " If they took more defense performance into winning a Norris, Doughty would probably have 5. " Idk if he would have 5 and Karlsson 0 but you first said " McAvoy has yet to reach over 35 points ". You just said how the Norris should actually be awarded and before that, you tell me abouts the pts.

McAvoy was one of the best defenseman defensively this season (all-around as well). Production-wise, he was on pace for 39/82GP. That's the only thing he can improve, primary points and shooting. Otherwise, very good offensively and dominant defensively. But he won't be in the conversation because most " experts " as you call them, just look at pts and not actual defense.

And no, there's no bias, Rask is 2nd in my Vezina ballot while a lot of people rank him 1st.

Looks like someone is a bit too much sensitive

All good, keep believing what you want and deny truth. It was a pleasure to waste my time.