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Date de création initiale: 6 mai 2020
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So idk why so many people want to call Matthews better than Eichel. It literally makes no sense.

In their Careers: They have NEARLY IDENTICAL stat lines:
PPG of .95 for Eichel and 1.01 for Matthews
PS (Point share) of 37 for both of them (meaning that they are equal in terms of their offensive and defensive production
They are nearly equal defensively and possesnion wise (similar Blocks/82 games . Takeaways/82 and Giveaways/82)

The only differences are:
1. Eichel is more physical and tough (More hits/82 and he has had more fights though not by much)
2. Eichel is on the FAR worse team. His linemates arent players like Mitch Marner, he isnt playing in from of goalies like Freddy Anderson, he doesnt have Morgan Reilly, Jake Muzzin, Tyson Barrie, etc behind him . He had (the god, but not really) Zach Bogooooo, Ristolianen (who is overrated sorry Sabres fans), and a bunch of other nobodys.

Matthews is NOT better. If anything Eichel is better, NOT BY MUCH, but a bit

I hold no horse in this race, I hate both teams. Im just a realist
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6 mai 2020 à 16 h 19
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Both are great. If you swapped roles and changed nothing else I think eichel would lead the league in points.


Mmm ya idk about that he’d forsure have more then 78 tho
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6 mai 2020 à 16 h 20
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I don't trust people that have a confident opinion on Matthews v Eichel. Both superstar 1C's at the beginning of their careers.


They are so similar its pretty crazy, like they are both almost just as good as each other in each area of their play
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6 mai 2020 à 16 h 20
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I think we both have good points, and right now I don't know that there's an answer- obviously I think it's Matthews, but its not like I think he's any more than marginally better - maybe some day down the line it will be more clear which is better, but I could also easily see this being a debate when they retire


I just want to see them together at the Olympics and in the same line
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 22
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
I just want to see them together at the Olympics and in the same line


Ew imagine Eichel-Matthews-Kane. That might be the best line ever to lose to Canada!
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6 mai 2020 à 16 h 22
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Mmm ya idk about that he’d forsure have more then 78 tho
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 22
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Thats still an opinion, i watched every Leafs Sabres game this year and Eichel was always the most dominant player on the ice. Matthews is obviously the better goal scorer, which is why hes often compared to Stamkos. But Eichel is a playmaker, hes much more of Malkin type player


That's the thing though, they are both very good players but if you have two guys who are on similar levels, I'm taking the goal scorer all day.
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 22
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Mmm ya idk about that he’d forsure have more then 78 tho


Im just picturing that powerplay
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 23
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I think we both have good points, and right now I don't know that there's an answer- obviously I think it's Matthews, but its not like I think he's any more than marginally better - maybe some day down the line it will be more clear which is better, but I could also easily see this being a debate when they retire


Ikr
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 24
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It's hard to compare those 2 players because Matthews hasn't been on the top line for a while because of Tavares. Eichel has played against top units all the time so that works in his favor.

But I wouldn't say Eichel has had terrible linemates all the time as he played with Skinner, an elite ES goalscorer over the past years (yeah I know he's not good this year and has some big downsides to his game), Reinhart who is pretty good and Olofsson who's a good goalscorer as well. Matthews hasn't had the most impressive linemates. He hasn't played a lot with Marner. Instead he got linemates like Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson and Nylander who hasn't or hadn't proven anything before playing with Matthews. And the thing is: all of those have played good along Matthews. But when they were on a different line, players didn't reached the same level. Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson and even Nylander has been up and down the line-up for a while when not playing with Matthews. And now Hyman and Nylander are back on the Matthews line. For some reason the Matthews line has always been productive, while centers like Kadri and now Tavares kinda needs Marner on the wing because of lacking chemistry with others. I'd say it's fair to assume Matthews makes his teammates look better.

Matthews is the best 5v5 goalscorer since entering the league and he improves the game of his linemates. And don't forget that Matthews (and any forward at Toronto) has rarely played over 20 minutes a game in his career until the coaching change which affects his points total. Eichel might be the most complete player of the two, but I'd pick Matthews over Eichel every single time
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 26
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It's hard to compare those 2 players because Matthews hasn't been on the top line for a while because of Tavares. Eichel has played against top units all the time so that works in his favor.

But I wouldn't say Eichel has had terrible linemates all the time as he played with Skinner, an elite ES goalscorer over the past years (yeah I know he's not good this year and has some big downsides to his game), Reinhart who is pretty good and Olofsson who's a good goalscorer as well. Matthews hasn't had the most impressive linemates. He hasn't played a lot with Marner. Instead he got linemates like Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson and Nylander who hasn't or hadn't proven anything before playing with Matthews. And the thing is: all of those have played good along Matthews. But when they were on a different line, players didn't reached the same level. Hyman, Kapanen, Johnsson and even Nylander has been up and down the line-up for a while when not playing with Matthews. And now Hyman and Nylander are back on the Matthews line. For some reason the Matthews line has always been productive, while centers like Kadri and now Tavares kinda needs Marner on the wing because of lacking chemistry with others. I'd say it's fair to assume Matthews makes his teammates look better.

Matthews is the best 5v5 goalscorer since entering the league and he improves the game of his linemates. And don't forget that Matthews (and any forward at Toronto) has rarely played over 20 minutes a game in his career until the coaching change which affects his points total. Eichel might be the most complete player of the two, but I'd pick Matthews over Eichel every single time


he also played on the #2 power play for the first two years of his career thanks to Babcock
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 32
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It's very close, you can make a really good argument for either player. In all honesty it's too early to tell. Eichel was on a worse team for his career but Matthews was coached by Babcock who never played Matthews more than 20 minutes and stuck him on the 2nd unit. It's a marginal difference at best, should be able to tell in the coming seasons
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 37
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That's the thing though, they are both very good players but if you have two guys who are on similar levels, I'm taking the goal scorer all day.


So you take Ovi over Crosby? As an elite playmaker you are able to set up a pylon to score. I personally take Eichel but IMO him Matthews and Barkov are all neck and neck in skill
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 43
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I think its Eichel by a tad. I have Eichel by the thinnest of margins. Would not be shocked if Matthews surpassed him next year. I have Eichel as the 4th best C in the league and Matthews at 6
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 47
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Lol I rather have Matthews.
6 mai 2020 à 16 h 49
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
So you take Ovi over Crosby? As an elite playmaker you are able to set up a pylon to score. I personally take Eichel but IMO him Matthews and Barkov are all neck and neck in skill


No, I didn't say that. I see the gap between Sid and Ovi as bigger than any gap between Matthews and Eichel (whichever way it leans). I do put more stock in goal scoring, though, and when you have guys who are neck and neck in skill, I'm taking the goal scorer. Especially when you consider the amount of Matthews' damage that is done at even strength.
6 mai 2020 à 17 h 12
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id rather have Eichel at 10 than Matthews at 11.6. how bout that eh
6 mai 2020 à 17 h 13
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Hes the next best forward.


I mean sure, but he was only here this year, so i guess it was like who have they been playing with
6 mai 2020 à 17 h 15
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
I did, couldn't agree more🤷🏼‍♂️ remember that argument about McDavid and Draisaitl with the best unit guarding McDavid. Well when it was tavares and Marner, Matthews was the secondary unit, last year that helped his production


Again, didnt even think about that lol

True, and Eichel is just being demolished by the other teams best dpair all the time
6 mai 2020 à 17 h 15
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Both are great. If you swapped roles and changed nothing else I think eichel would lead the league in points.


Exactly
6 mai 2020 à 17 h 17
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
Ye, he would. Not even a question, he has the longest point streak this year I'm pretty sure, on one of the worst teams


SHOOOT IM SO SORYYYY!!!

I MEANT TO QUOTE THE GUY ABOVE YOU!@!!!!
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Nah, Matthews is better


You can also read the post and get over yourself
6 mai 2020 à 17 h 19
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SHOOOT IM SO SORYYYY!!!

I MEANT TO QUOTE THE GUY ABOVE YOU!@!!!!


Dude ur fine😂👍🏼
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6 mai 2020 à 17 h 20
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Quoting: A_K
I don't trust people that have a confident opinion on Matthews v Eichel. Both superstar 1C's at the beginning of their careers.


Dont worry, thats what evidence is for.

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6 mai 2020 à 17 h 23
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Quoting: BuFfaLOFaN
They are so similar its pretty crazy, like they are both almost just as good as each other in each area of their play


Quoting: TheresAlwaysNextYear
It's very close, you can make a really good argument for either player. In all honesty it's too early to tell. Eichel was on a worse team for his career but Matthews was coached by Babcock who never played Matthews more than 20 minutes and stuck him on the 2nd unit. It's a marginal difference at best, should be able to tell in the coming seasons


Quoting: A_K
I don't trust people that have a confident opinion on Matthews v Eichel. Both superstar 1C's at the beginning of their careers.



Again, As I said: "Matthews is NOT better. If anything Eichel is better, NOT BY MUCH, but a bit"

I personally dont care, nor do I think Eichel is like way better by any means, but I keep seeing these "Top 5" posts with Matthews as a top 5 center, first off: He isnt, and second off: he isnt better than Eichel so IF IF IF IF IF someone wants him in their top 5, iits gonna be "tied with Eichel for 5th"
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6 mai 2020 à 17 h 24
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You can also read the post and get over yourself


Calm down, man. The comment was a joke. I do believe Matthews is better but I was replying to your organized, point by point, post (which I did read btw) with a comment of no real substance as a joke.
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