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Blues Trade

Créé par: Vermathex
Équipe: 2019-20 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 27 avr. 2020
Publié: 27 avr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
have a good feeling blues fans are gona hate this trade but curious what the value would be
Transactions
STL
  1. Deangelo, Anthony
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (NYR)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2021 (NYR)
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Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2020
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2381 500 000 $79 025 633 $0 $7 345 000 $2 474 367 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Rangers de New York
11 642 857 $11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 7
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5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
AG, AD, C
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
4 625 000 $4 625 000 $
AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
1 850 000 $1 850 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
863 333 $863 333 $
C, AG
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 650 000 $$3M)
AD
RFA - 3
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894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance350 000 $$350K)
C, AG
UFA - 2
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750 000 $750 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance300 000 $$300K)
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
700 000 $700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Rangers de New York
700 000 $700 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Rangers de New York
5 700 000 $5 700 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
Logo de Rangers de New York
8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
4 350 000 $4 350 000 $
DG/DD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Rangers de New York
792 500 $792 500 $ (Bonis de performance132 500 $$132K)
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Rangers de New York
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
UFA - 3

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28 avr. 2020 à 0 h 16
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LOL

Deangelo >>>>>>>> Parayko. Here they are with their d partners.

Drop the picks and Rangers still reject. Though interesting trade is Trouba for Parayko.

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28 avr. 2020 à 0 h 24
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LOL

Deangelo >>>>>>>> Parayko. Here they are with their d partners.

Drop the picks and Rangers still reject. Though interesting trade is Trouba for Parayko.

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I think they are completely different player no? One is better offense and one is complete shutdown guy.
28 avr. 2020 à 0 h 25
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Quoting: Sagecoll
LOL

Deangelo >>>>>>>> Parayko. Here they are with their d partners.

Drop the picks and Rangers still reject. Though interesting trade is Trouba for Parayko.

Screen-Shot-2020-04-28-at-12-15-09-AM
Screen-Shot-2020-04-28-at-12-16-24-AM


That’s one season bro, also the one that happens to be Parayko’s worst and Deangelo’s best. Parayko has been significantly better the rest of his career.
28 avr. 2020 à 0 h 44
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That’s one season bro, also the one that happens to be Parayko’s worst and Deangelo’s best. Parayko has been significantly better the rest of his career.


lol
28 avr. 2020 à 0 h 45
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I think they are completely different player no? One is better offense and one is complete shutdown guy.


you are correct.
28 avr. 2020 à 1 h 9
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lol


Parayko’s averaged 2.5 WAR a season for his career and hadn’t been below 2 until this season, Deangelo hasn’t even reached 2.5 wins in his entire career. Parayko 5v5 defensive impacts are also top-2/3 in the league the last few seasons in EW and Micah’s model. Parayko sucked the first few months of this season, but other than that I don’t think it’s close. Deangelo’s still great though.
28 avr. 2020 à 1 h 36
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Parayko’s averaged 2.5 WAR a season for his career and hadn’t been below 2 until this season, Deangelo hasn’t even reached 2.5 wins in his entire career. Parayko 5v5 defensive impacts are also top-2/3 in the league the last few seasons in EW and Micah’s model. Parayko sucked the first few months of this season, but other than that I don’t think it’s close. Deangelo’s still great though.


Deangelo leads Parayko in WAR/60 over the past 2 seasons. (he's at 3.3 over the past 2 years).

,,,,and pretty much the best offensive transition dman in the game:

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I think in terms of value Deangelo is slightly more valuable because

a) Studies show that Defensive play in your own zone (where Parayko most excels) is more closely tied to coaching scheme and structure (the more repeatable individual defensive component is blue line breakups - though that is also affected by certain coaching schemes). Whereas offensive performance and transitions are largely independent of coaching schemes and strategy, they tend to be consistent regardless of environment, making them inherently more valuable. Thus a player with league average offense and exceptional defense is going to be ultimately less valuable than the opposite.

b) Age and Team control. Deangelo is 2 years younger, and can be resigned now as an RFA to a deal with a LOT of term whereas Parayko walks in 2 seasons.

I think Parayko is an awesome player, don't get me wrong. But I put Deangelo up there with the best, especially considering his offensive performance with an anchor like Staal and one of the worst defensive coaching schemes in all of hockey (need to look no further than Pionk or Shattenkirk's massive improvement this season for tangible evidence of that)
28 avr. 2020 à 2 h 34
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LOL

Deangelo >>>>>>>> Parayko.



You can't possibly be serious.
28 avr. 2020 à 8 h 16
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Since DeAngelo and Parayko have the same controllable years till UFA (depending on DeAngelo's new contract), gotta think the Rangers lose on the trade due to the picks going to the Blues
28 avr. 2020 à 8 h 24
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LOL

Deangelo >>>>>>>> Parayko. Here they are with their d partners.

Drop the picks and Rangers still reject. Though interesting trade is Trouba for Parayko.

Screen-Shot-2020-04-28-at-12-15-09-AM
Screen-Shot-2020-04-28-at-12-16-24-AM


You looked at 1 season, and that wasn’t even a full season so it’s tarnished. You have to take into account that Parayko is playing better quality lines than Deangelo is.
28 avr. 2020 à 11 h 30
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Deangelo leads Parayko in WAR/60 over the past 2 seasons. (he's at 3.3 over the past 2 years).

,,,,and pretty much the best offensive transition dman in the game:

Screen-Shot-2020-04-28-at-1-26-40-AM

I think in terms of value Deangelo is slightly more valuable because

a) Studies show that Defensive play in your own zone (where Parayko most excels) is more closely tied to coaching scheme and structure (the more repeatable individual defensive component is blue line breakups - though that is also affected by certain coaching schemes). Whereas offensive performance and transitions are largely independent of coaching schemes and strategy, they tend to be consistent regardless of environment, making them inherently more valuable. Thus a player with league average offense and exceptional defense is going to be ultimately less valuable than the opposite.

b) Age and Team control. Deangelo is 2 years younger, and can be resigned now as an RFA to a deal with a LOT of term whereas Parayko walks in 2 seasons.

I think Parayko is an awesome player, don't get me wrong. But I put Deangelo up there with the best, especially considering his offensive performance with an anchor like Staal and one of the worst defensive coaching schemes in all of hockey (need to look no further than Pionk or Shattenkirk's massive improvement this season for tangible evidence of that)


I guess it comes down to what you value, but Parayko getting the best defensive RAPM results over a large sample against the competition profile that he plays while not taking any penalties is more valuable and rare. Knowing what I know about NHL gm’s as well (not that they understand how to evaluate defenseman) I’d be shocked if any one of them is taking Deangelo over Parayko.
 
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