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Flames need to sell VGK CAR TOR EDM DAL ARI

Créé par: KH44
Équipe: 2019-20 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 16 févr. 2020
Publié: 16 févr. 2020
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Flames are in the worst possible spot - a 50/50 shot at making the playoffs. In this position, you have all three options available, and they all appear to have their merits: buy, sell, hold. The truth is in this position, with expiring contracts the Flames will lose for nothing, and the prices that are being paid to acquire players right now, the only good option is sell. If the Flames are 50/50 just to make it, sell, load up on picks and prospects, give yourself a solid chance in the lottery and then make a run at it next year. Standing pat is the worst option, and buying right now is a bad plan, especially on a short term rental. Sell, retain salary, get picks. The trades below just represent options, based on the prices that have been paid the last couple of days. No term defencemen with either half salary or a sweetener (like the Flames taking Hutch back) should reap some great picks, and back end options that are cheap with no commitment should fetch a late round pick. Hell, maybe the trades make the Flames loosen up, the kids push to impress, and the Flames win a few games, make a race out of it. The point of it is to sell, not buy or hold! In terms of evaluating the deals, please tell me what you think, but I don't care about 'the asking price your team has publicly said' as that is a negotiating tactic, nothing more. Just because your GM said 'he will only be paying for term' or 'the first rounder is off the table' doesn't actually mean anything.
Transactions
1.
CGY
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
Deal is for whichever of the first round picks is later.
CAR
  1. Brodie, TJ (2 325 200 $ retained)
2.
CGY
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (VGK)
VGK
  1. Talbot, Cam (1 375 000 $ retained)
3.
CGY
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (DAL)
DAL
  1. Czarnik, Austin (500 000 $ retained)
4.
CGY
  1. Choix de 5e ronde en 2020 (ARI)
Détails additionnels:
Pick gets paid if Arizona makes the playoffs and Stone plays half the games. Becomes a sixth if Arizona makes the playoffs or Stone plays half the games. Becomes a 7th if neither happens.
5.
CGY
  1. Hutchinson, Michael
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2020 (TOR)
6.
CGY
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2020 (EDM)
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
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2020
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Logo de ARI
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2021
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2022
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2281 500 000 $62 403 532 $0 $1 172 500 $19 096 468 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 375 000 $6 375 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 850 000 $4 850 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 5
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 750 000 $6 750 000 $
AG
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 350 000 $5 350 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 5
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 550 000 $2 550 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 125 000 $3 125 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
700 000 $700 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
715 000 $715 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
700 000 $700 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
700 000 $700 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
778 333 $778 333 $ (Bonis de performance182 500 $$182K)
AG, AD, C
RFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flames de Calgary
3 375 000 $3 375 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
755 833 $755 833 $ (Bonis de performance57 500 $$58K)
DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 375 000 $1 375 000 $
G
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 237 500 $1 237 500 $
DG
UFA - 5
Logo de Flames de Calgary
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
894 166 $894 166 $ (Bonis de performance425 000 $$425K)
DG
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
730 833 $730 833 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
700 000 $700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
700 000 $700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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16 févr. 2020 à 22 h 57
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I feel like these are all really low based off of others AGM and the expectations for their team’s return.
16 févr. 2020 à 22 h 58
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Quoting: Weezley
I feel like these are all really low based off of others AGM and the expectations for their team’s return.

Low as in the return is low and the Flames should ask for more?
I was trying to be realistic and show what could be done. More would be great, absolutely.
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 8
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Yoy saw the andy greene trade today right? I hope that hamonic trade is a joke
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16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 14
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I feel like the league might step in of CGY tried to trade Stone... They did buy him out in the off-season and had to get permission to sign him again lol
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 19
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Quoting: KH44
Low as in the return is low and the Flames should ask for more?
I was trying to be realistic and show what could be done. More would be great, absolutely.


Well, if any of the comments after mine didn’t clue you in then I meant that’s too low of a return. 🤷🏻‍♂️ We will see I guess.
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 23
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Brad Boyes please Wq
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Vegas says yes fast
Well even give ya subban aswell
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 27
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Why are you trading so much in your own division ? Btw that Jankowski deal is for a draft pick already likely going Calgary's way as part of the Neal/ Lucic swap.
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16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 31
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Yoy saw the andy greene trade today right? I hope that hamonic trade is a joke


A 2021 second is worth less than a 2020 second, and David Quenneville is a C prospect. Replace Hutchinson with a B prospect and the proposed trade is right on value. Or deal with Winnipeg and ask for Luke Green, who has a better chance of making it with the Jets/Flames than Quenneville does with the Devils.
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 48
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I feel like the league might step in of CGY tried to trade Stone... They did buy him out in the off-season and had to get permission to sign him again lol


they didnt need permission, they didnt break any rules
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 59
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Dude, you already have Oilers 2020 3rd round pick, are you giving it back to us and than we trade it to you again
16 févr. 2020 à 23 h 59
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
they didnt need permission, they didnt break any rules


99% sure You can't sign a guy you bought out in the same summer... I think that's cap circumvention...
17 févr. 2020 à 0 h 24
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99% sure You can't sign a guy you bought out in the same summer... I think that's cap circumvention...


Well you are wrong with the 1% I guess. Teams are not allowed to resign a player for a whole season that was bought out in a compliance buyout (amnesty buyout) since they do not go against the cap. each team only received a max of 2 compliance buyouts for the lockout season of 2013-14 since the lockout caused the cap not to increase at all. essential a free pass buyout, still had to pay the player but they had zero cap hit for the entirety of the buyout.

In the case of Michael Stone it was a regular buyout. Until the injury to Valimaki occurred Calgary likely wasn't resigning Stone as he wasn't needed. However, there is no rule that stops a team from buying out a contract regularly during the buyout period and resigning them
18 févr. 2020 à 14 h 20
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Yoy saw the andy greene trade today right? I hope that hamonic trade is a joke


He is injured right now, and so there would be a bit of a concern there. Might have to do a conditional trade as a way to get more for him.
 
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