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Nylander trade

Créé par: Koekkoek_Clock
Date de création initiale: fév 4, 2020
Publié: 5 fév 2020 à 10 h 25
Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Transactions
TOR
  1. Dumba, Matt
MIN
  1. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. 2020 5e round pick (PHI)
PHI
  1. Ceci, Cody (2 000 000 $ retained)
Rachats de contrats
  • Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
  • Cody Ceci: 2 000 000 $ (44.44%)
  • Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)
  • Robin Lehner: 1 100 000 $ (22%)
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2020
TOR
CBJ
TOR
VGK
PHI
TOR
CAR
COL
SJS
STL
WPG
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $82 128 944 $0 $70 000 $-628 944 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
TOR
Johnsson, Andreas
3 400 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
11 634 000 $
C
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
10 893 000 $
AD
UFA - 6
TOR
Hyman, Zach
2 250 000 $
AG, AD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
11 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
TOR
Kapanen, Kasperi
3 200 000 $
AD
RFA - 3
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
925 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
3 500 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 4
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
925 000 $
AG, C
RFA - 1
TOR
Timashov, Dmytro
694 444 $
AG
UFA - 1
TOR
Spezza, Jason
700 000 $
C, AD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Moore, Trevor
775 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
MIN
Dumba, Matt
6 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 4
TOR
Dermott, Travis
863 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1
TOR
Hutchinson, Michael
700 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Barrie, Tyson
2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
894 167 $
DG
RFA - 3
TOR
Kaskisuo, Kasimir
675 000 $
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Holl, Justin
675 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
TOR
Marincin, Martin
700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
TOR
Gauthier, Frédérik
675 000 $
C
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
5 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 3
TOR
Clarkson, David
5 250 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
5 000 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Horton, Nathan
5 300 000 $
AD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
4 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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5 fév 2020 à 10 h 26
#1
best poster
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why are the flyers taking ceci
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 28
#2
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Quoting: mondo
why are the flyers taking ceci


Because people think NHL teams will help the leafs out of their cap hell, not sure if the NHL actually works like that, never has before
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5 fév 2020 à 10 h 32
#3
HABS FANS
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That good but maybe a lot for dumba
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 34
#4
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Dubas might have done that trade in November 2019 when Dumba was playing great and he was struggling to sign Nylander. Today when Dumba is struggling and Nylander has played really well this year? I can't see the Leafs doing this.
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 36
#5
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Maybe we don't trade Nylander for a guy who hasn't proven he's the player he was before injury... or, like... ever.
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 38
#6
MNBassman
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
Maybe we don't trade Nylander for a guy who hasn't proven he's the player he was before injury... or, like... ever.


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5 fév 2020 à 10 h 39
#7
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
Maybe we don't trade Nylander for a guy who hasn't proven he's the player he was before injury... or, like... ever.


Sure. Keep doing the same thing. Top heavy forward group, weak blue line. See what happens.
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 40
#8
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Quoting: MNBassman
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Pre-injury Dumba I have a lot of time for. This current version whose numbers have cratered, I have concerns. Especially selling Nylander, who I am very high on.
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 44
#9
MNBassman
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
Pre-injury Dumba I have a lot of time for. This current version whose numbers have cratered, I have concerns. Especially selling Nylander, who I am very high on.


Your concerns are legit. I, however, see him returning to his old form recently...and i have complete belief in him as a person and as a player. He will soon be a bonafide #1 RHD again, bet on it.
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5 fév 2020 à 10 h 44
#10
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Sure. Keep doing the same thing. Top heavy forward group, weak blue line. See what happens.


You don't trade Nylander before Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot, or other non-Big 4 players. You just don't. And is Dumba even particularly good defensively? I have doubts. Is he healthy? I have concerns. But, sure let's sell a player on the verge of breaking out for potentially damaged goods.
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 49
#11
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Quoting: MNBassman
Your concerns are legit. I, however, see him returning to his old form recently...and i have complete belief in him as a person and as a player. He will soon be a bonafide #1 RHD again, bet on it.


I sincerely hope he does. I just personally wouldn't want to bet a 30-40 goal, 23-year-old player with the least overpaying contract of the Big-4 on it. And I doubt Minny could be talked into taking less (and that's their right).
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5 fév 2020 à 10 h 49
#12
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
You don't trade Nylander before Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot, or other non-Big 4 players. You just don't. And is Dumba even particularly good defensively? I have doubts. Is he healthy? I have concerns. But, sure let's sell a player on the verge of breaking out for potentially damaged goods.


It wouldn’t be good for the cap
If I’m being honest, I don’t think the leafs will trade for dumba
But in reality it would be hard to afford
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 51
#13
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Quoting: Koekkoek_Clock
It wouldn’t be good for the cap
If I’m being honest, I don’t think the leafs will trade for dumba
But in reality it would be hard to afford


I don't see it, either. Maybe in the offseason with more cap space to play with and some assets to move around.
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5 fév 2020 à 10 h 51
#14
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
I don't see it, either. Maybe in the offseason with more cap space to play with and some assets to move around.


They won’t get dumba unless they plan on trading kapanen for a rental
5 fév 2020 à 10 h 56
#15
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
You don't trade Nylander before Kapanen, Johnsson, Kerfoot, or other non-Big 4 players. You just don't. And is Dumba even particularly good defensively? I have doubts. Is he healthy? I have concerns. But, sure let's sell a player on the verge of breaking out for potentially damaged goods.


Well, this is kind of the issue i have with leaf logic. You’re right, the leafs should look to trade guys outside their top four forwards for defensive help. That’s all well and good, but those kind of guys aren’t going to get the leafs names like Dumba. It doesn’t make much sense for us to go back and forth on our opinion of Dumba. You’re not going to convince me, and I’m not going to convince you. That said, let’s just say we’re dealing with player X. Player X is a defensemen that can play on the top pair for a Stanley cup contender, which is what the leafs are trying to become. Teams aren’t going to trade player X for guys like Kapanen and Johnsson. There’s no motivation for them to do so. Maybe in a perfect world there’s a rebuilding team that is okay with letting go of a top pair guy for a bevy of assets, including first round picks, prospects, and roster players like Kapanen, but I don’t see such an opportunity right now.
5 fév 2020 à 11 h 02
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Can this Dumba stupidity ends already, TML has enough two-way wingers playing D .......
5 fév 2020 à 11 h 22
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
That said, let’s just say we’re dealing with player X. Player X is a defensemen that can play on the top pair for a Stanley cup contender, which is what the leafs are trying to become. Teams aren’t going to trade player X for guys like Kapanen and Johnsson. There’s no motivation for them to do so. Maybe in a perfect world there’s a rebuilding team that is okay with letting go of a top pair guy for a bevy of assets, including first round picks, prospects, and roster players like Kapanen, but I don’t see such an opportunity right now.


The issue we're going to have is I don't think the Leafs need a guy anyone has decided is a "top pairing guy for a cup contender". Those guys are not available, for one, they cost far too much to acquire, and the Leafs need more than one guy, anyway. They aren't one guy away. Not if that guy takes away a premium piece of your offense that you don't have anyone to step in for.

No, Kap can't get you a star. What Kap can get you is a Top-4 guy, and I have no problem with a deep group of T4 guys. Rielly, Muzzin, Barrie, Holl, and someone like Manson (most immediately example). See if Vegas will move McNabb. Take a look at Carolina's D core to see if something can be found. Larsson in EDM for cheap? Well, maybe he's just an improvement on Ceci... whatever. I'm not sure. Would they be big, noticeable names like Pietroangelo? Doughty? No. But they fill a role and function the Leafs need at far less of a cost.

Also, Dumba is a T4. Superstar potential but he's not healthy and if we trade Nylander for someone who turns out to be a shell of their former selves... that's a disaster.
5 fév 2020 à 11 h 28
#18
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: FrustratedToronto
The issue we're going to have is I don't think the Leafs need a guy anyone has decided is a "top pairing guy for a cup contender". Those guys are not available, for one, they cost far too much to acquire, and the Leafs need more than one guy, anyway. They aren't one guy away. Not if that guy takes away a premium piece of your offense that you don't have anyone to step in for.

No, Kap can't get you a star. What Kap can get you is a Top-4 guy, and I have no problem with a deep group of T4 guys. Rielly, Muzzin, Barrie, Holl, and someone like Manson (most immediately example). See if Vegas will move McNabb. Take a look at Carolina's D core to see if something can be found. Larsson in EDM for cheap? Well, maybe he's just an improvement on Ceci... whatever. I'm not sure. Would they be big, noticeable names like Pietroangelo? Doughty? No. But they fill a role and function the Leafs need at far less of a cost.

Also, Dumba is a T4. Superstar potential but he's not healthy and if we trade Nylander for someone who turns out to be a shell of their former selves... that's a disaster.


Sure. Go after Manson. Kapanen doesn’t get you there.

Carolina has three awesome d men. Kapanen doesn’t get you close to any of them. Want edmunson? Okay, maybe they talk about that. You want the 19 minute McNabb? Okay. Sure. I don’t think that kind of addition gets the leafs there. Maybe three additions like that, maybe.
5 fév 2020 à 11 h 42
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Well, this is kind of the issue i have with leaf logic. You’re right, the leafs should look to trade guys outside their top four forwards for defensive help. That’s all well and good, but those kind of guys aren’t going to get the leafs names like Dumba. It doesn’t make much sense for us to go back and forth on our opinion of Dumba. You’re not going to convince me, and I’m not going to convince you. That said, let’s just say we’re dealing with player X. Player X is a defensemen that can play on the top pair for a Stanley cup contender, which is what the leafs are trying to become. Teams aren’t going to trade player X for guys like Kapanen and Johnsson. There’s no motivation for them to do so. Maybe in a perfect world there’s a rebuilding team that is okay with letting go of a top pair guy for a bevy of assets, including first round picks, prospects, and roster players like Kapanen, but I don’t see such an opportunity right now.


Agreed but player x is not Dumba
5 fév 2020 à 11 h 44
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hey stop maybe
5 fév 2020 à 12 h 28
#21
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: Boomer125
Agreed but player x is not Dumba


Woooooosh
5 fév 2020 à 19 h 47
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Sure. Go after Manson. Kapanen doesn’t get you there.

Carolina has three awesome d men. Kapanen doesn’t get you close to any of them. Want edmunson? Okay, maybe they talk about that. You want the 19 minute McNabb? Okay. Sure. I don’t think that kind of addition gets the leafs there. Maybe three additions like that, maybe.


I'd rather see what a package around Kapanen gets you than trade a blossoming star to overpay for some big name that likely doesn't end up as good as their hype would suggest.
 
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