Doesn't help Leafs' cap situation
Maybe retain some stuf on Saad

Forget the cap situation for a sec, give me your opinion on the player for player transfer.

Saad's best years are behind him IMO, and Nylander's are up coming, I don't do that trade

Forget the cap situation for a sec, give me your opinion on the player for player transfer.

Nylanders upside is significant compared to Saad, yes Saad is rougher but truthfully is kinda pointless if you don't have the soft Nylander on his line, I absolutely would love to see Murphy in a Leafs jersey with Rielly, but would be more inclined to offer up Kapenen, Johansson the 2020 2nd rnd for Shaw and Murphy

Without taking cap into consideration. I would consider it mainly fair deal for both sides. Both players coming back are still young (none are better than William Nylander who is integral part of the Leafs team. I loooove Saad. He is this generations Hossa imo and would get scoring on that level as well. Murphy is shutdown defensive defenseman that is very good and fitting with the Leafs. I think Leafs wont do this type of deal, but I really do like the pieces coming back (and I think Saad would flourish in Toronto with Matthews. Like 60-70 point two way amazing player flourish).

That was actually one of my arguments when these types of posts were originally going on. Just for perspective's sake, this was a hard no from the leaf's fans at the start of the summer. Nice to know that some leaf fan's perspectives have changed.

That was actually one of my arguments when these types of posts were originally going on. Just for perspective's sake, this was a hard no from the leaf's fans at the start of the summer. Nice to know that some leaf fan's perspectives have changed.

Do I think Nylander is the best player in the deal??? Yes, but barely. I can understand the argument that he's younger. I can also understand the argument that IF his best years are ahead of him that he'll be worth the cap. But that's where I differ from most Leafs fans. I just have a hard time hearing for 3 straight years that the best years are still ahead of him...AND YET...how ironic that he's on pace for exactly 61 points...AGAIN. First of all, let's all at least agree that's a bit ironic. Career high of 61 points (twice) and trending toward exactly 61 points again for the 3rd time!

I think Nylander does a nice job of carrying the pace of play. Something the Hawks need to do a better job of to be honest. I just see too many similarities in how the Hawks FEEL about Saad (AND his history!) vs how the Leafs FEEL about Nylander. Very different types of players of course, but surprisingly close results and the cap delta justifies the stat delta. Style of play suits each team differently. NYI would probably prefer Saad over Nylander's style of play where TOR and PIT would probably prefer Nylander's style of play.

I wouldn't do the trade because we need Murphy on the back end. He and DeHaan have been what the Hawks were missing last year. If we could get a 3rd one of these guys, I'd do it. Not 1 less of these guys.

Nylander has I think 13 or 14 points in his last 14 or 15 games. Under Keefe he's been better and better. With Babs gone and Nylander being actually valued by the coach, he's going to play a lot more and get more opportunities than ever before. The days of him getting 15 minutes a night are over. If you actually look at the advanced stats for Nylander, he creates offensive chances per 60 at a super elite rate. Something like top 20 league wide but he's never played more than below average 2nd liner minutes. Mainly because Babs was so stubborn.

This Nylander isn't worth his contract nonsense is all going to end very soon.

So here's my question for you (and all Leafs fans really). I thought Nylander's play got better NOT because of Keefe (He's really be invisible the last 5 games) BUT more so because Marner was hurt. What do you think?

That sentence can be interpreted many different ways. Some may take it that Nylander's undervalued because he doesn't get the ice time or the #1PP role that he deserves and this proves it...OR...Some may take that as...Keefe gave them a short bump in excitement because there's a such thing as addition through subtraction. They got rid of the negative and that "high" or excitement is fading...OR many others.

I think you like to look for reasons to lower the value of Nylander so he can be traded for less than what he's worth. He's a terrific player and I think one of the best players on the team. There are few NHLers who create more chances per 60 minutes than Nylander.

ok, thanks for not answering the question.