Swap the years on picks and Jersey says yes.

Philly should accept.

Agreed. Given the depth of this years draft, NJ would obviously want to use that pick this year.

Montreal rejects both.

i dont see mtl trading thier 2020 1st. its in mtl. that'll be a tough sell.

why would mtl reject? they get an elite top 5 capable winger in the league and an offensive dman who can move the puck unlike no other on the blueline.

As i have said before, if a GM passes up the chance to add a franchise player because of the location of the draft than he is an idiot.

Bergy is not an idiot.

every Hall trade should take a good look at the stone trade.

Erik Brannstrom who was selected 15th overall in 2017
forward Oscar Lindberg and a second-round pick in 2020.

In other words. They got a hyped up defenseman prospect who was a mid round selection. He is under sized and that was the knock on him, so lets not pretend he was some generational player. He wasn't.
For a puck moving defense man at the NHL level, he has 2 points in 20 games this year. Just going to point that out. As I want everyone to be honest about that prospect instead of listening to some Ottawa spin on losing Stone. But either way it boils down to a mid round 1st.

Lindberg, where is he now? I think he was just a body coming back the other way.

and a 2nd.

I'm going to be really honest about this. If you think Hall is returning anything greater than that, you are kidding yourself. AND Stone signed a contract.
Most teams who aren't in the playoffs aren't going to pony up on a rental,
And Most playoff teams aren't going to give up the moon. I think VGK knew Brannstrom was under sized and would struggle, as most smaller defensemen do. There is a reason there aren't many in the league at 5'9.
It is what it is.
People have such unrealistic expectations here it is unbelievable.

thats a good point. i think the arena would blow up if they didn't have a first lol

I think people are blowing this out of proportion. They won't trade the pick if its just for a TDL pickup type player maybe but if they are getting a star player, they'll use it no problem. The idea of wanting give the fans something to be happy about so that they keep every pick just on principle doesn't make sense.

Are fans not going to be happy with Habs getting Taylor Hall but they'll be happy with the Habs drafting Justin Sourdif 14th overall...????

stone is a great 2-way player, but he isn't a league mvp level player. stone is a 70 point player. hall is a 90 point player. brannstrom is gonna be a stud and ottawa was desperate. but of course, if we can get him for less than the price i offered, i got no issue with that.
also that undersized argument for d-men doesnt work any more. hughes, makar etc arent necessarily 6'2 220. they're small guys and elite d-men. hughes is only 5'10 and is an elite player already.

Nobody would show.

Can always trade back into 1st tho ??‍♂️

yeah they have 2 second rd picks. that chicago pick would be a in the early 30's. its a good draft. lets see

I love Hall but lets also be honest here, he's had one good season since his 13-14 season. While Stone may not have scored as much as Hall did in that one season two years ago, he's miles ahead as an overall player.

Both guys value is comparable. Its just one guy is a bit better offensively and the other defensively. By no means is one less good than the other though.

Mark Stone just signed for 9.5M X 8 years and is taxed less than most other cities........ if he signed in Toronto it would have been 10.5M cap. He's an elite winger.

THIS.

Does it matter which 1st round pick it is? Habs could trade Tatar tomorrow for a first if they wanted to replace the 1st they lost....

ottawa got fleeced on that deal

what should the deal be in your opinion?

Trade or contract?

IMHO the Habs should avoid adding Hall altogether. I think the position of biggest strength the Habs have is LW, maybe not elite LW but it simply doesn't make sense. Habs when all healthy don't have a problem scoring goals. They need top pairing dmen.

it's hard to say Ottawa got "fleeced" on the deal.
No one was willing to give up more. And that's what it boils down to.
The market has not changed. Ottawa got Market value.
If they could have got more, they would have got more.
So to think somehow the market is SOOOOOOO much better for Hall and he's going to get this amazing return that's just incredible and they should expect the moon for him is utter BS.

Brannstrom can develop into a great partner for Chabot in a couple of years. There's too many people writing him off because Ottawa isn't developing him properly this year.

Anyway a 2020 top 5 protected 1st + random assets(picks, Primeau, roster player) should get you Hall with an extension. That's the most acceptable high value thing the Habs can and should be willing to part with.

Then deal Tatar in a separate trade to get another 1st or equivalent asset.

Taylor Hall has won the draft lottery 4 more than he's made the playoffs.

Franchise wingers can carry teams into the playoffs. Hall is not one of them.

People tout Stone as if he's the second coming of Christ so I have a hard time believing that a top 5 winger in the league is worth a low 2nd and defensive prospect.

If there is more demand for Hall, New Jersey can up the price. The mArKeT vAlUe of a player is mostly necessity and perception, there aren't any value bars like in NHL to determine which players are more valuable than others.

hell no to that hall trade.,

That quote above right there.
Lets be honest about it.

As for the undersized defensmen.....yeah BS.

There will never be a time in the NHL where being a little player doesn't matter. I don't care what nonsene someone has convinced you of.
You will never see a team in this league filled with 5'10 defensemen.
You can hid a smaller player here and there. But lets not bs anyone about it. They are hidden.
At the end of the day defensemen in general get hit, a lot, it's part of going to get the puck under a fore check.
Players who are 5'9 get killed if they are left exposed back there.

rentals are only worth what a team is willing to give up for them.
There isn't much of a grand scale here on that.
You aren't talking about signing a guy who has 5 years of control left on him and is 24 years old.
The market on a highend rental is typically a 1st and a prospect type deal. Really high end gets a 1st and a 2nd.
Teams aren't going to tear up their roster for one, and they aren't going to sacrifice multiple years in the draft for one.

So when you realize the market itself has a cap, you can start to realize that it doesn't matter who the player is.
If they are a rental. If they aren't already signed long term. You aren't going to get the moon.
And no player, has any reason to sign that contract unless they really want to. They would rather have freedom to test the market and I don't blame them for that.
Which makes it really hard to get more than that.

tell that to quin hughes and cale makar bud. the league is changing. those 2 are gonna win more than a couple of norris trophies.