That's not close to the value of Rakell

Qty won't get you Rakell.. don't forget he is on a great NHL Deal for the next 3y @ 3.8M$

Ducks reject without thinking.

this doesn't come close to an overpayment - this is spare parts and you get a 3rd!
That Rakell contract is a beaut - not many top 6 wingers are on 3 year deals for under $4m...

I still don't think you're getting Rakell for that package. I don't think BM sees anything he likes from Buffalo.

How so? I think I made it pretty clear of the value of the players ANA would be getting back... what else would be needed to complete the trade?

Better than Risto for Rakell+ (which I've seen on here)

I don't think Rakell is being traded, if they're "committing to the rebuild" then they wouldn't go after a top 4 d man, they'd just wait for one of their prospects to develop instead of trading their second most valuable forward (debatably, he could be ahead of Steel, or Kase could be ahead of him) for a top 4 d man that is just a PP merchant and is TERRIBLE defensively, a bust, an ok spec, and a bottom 6er and they're adding a third which has more value than Thompson and Smith combined, oh yeah and Rakell has one of the best contracts in the league, and debatably the one thing they need more than a 2RD is scoring from their forwards which Rakell brings, I just don't see ANA moving Rakell unless they get a crazy package back, they'd never consider losing a trade for Rakell, and this would be a massive L for them

That's a fair assessment. I think taking away the 3rd is fine, but I do not think Tage is a bust. Give him a year in the AHL as a first line RW and he is going to get at least a PPG. He has serious offensive NHL potential and he's only 21. What else from Buffalo that includes Risto would be a "crazy package"? Also, I don't exactly see anything from Kase that would suggest he's more valuable than Rakell, I just don't know enough about him

Is this what an over pay looks like from BUF? if thats the case there is definitely not a chance of any rakell for risto based deal

Tage might not be a bust, but imo he has like 3rd line PWF upside, Kase has like top 10-20 possession/defensive metrics league wide (for forwards) and he was 2/3 PPG, roughly the same as Rakell (who had a down year) also he has a fantastic contract as well, idk what else BUF would need to add, but it would probably be something substantial, a lottery protected first or something would be my guess

Ristolainen is overrated but he isnt spare parts.

Thompson was 1st round in 2016
Samuelsson was 32 OA in 2018 and played on team USA for WJ.
Smith is an AHL all star who was a college late bloomer.

Not spare parts

I think a lottery protected first would be fair to add, but that probably takes Tage out of the deal then. Adding Risto gives the Ducks one of the best top 4 defensive pairings in the league to go along with a top 5 goalie. That's pretty substantial

Also just a random thought I had, last year the ducks defence wasn't great at actually playing defense, adding Risto would make that worse...
And irdc if you take out Thompson, the ducks already have a bunch of similar guys

I'm confused.

I haven't seen Rakell play so excuse my ignorance but from some quick research he seems like a primarily left winger that you can hope for 30 goals and 50 points out of. Which is good, don't get me wrong, but that's a really strong package going the other way and y'all are making it sound like that package isn't even in the ballpark of Rakell.

Is he also a two way monster, are people just really pumping up his value due to his team-friendly contract, or is there something else I'm missing here? At face value, I don't understand the reaction to this proposal.

if all of this is true, why isn't Buffalo using these guys to their potential and promoting from within.
buffalo's biggest problem outside of having half a 2nd line and no goaltending is their depth, these guys are the teams depth...no?

when you answer that, just remember, THEY ARE SPARE PARTS!

Something around Rakell and Laine would make more sense for example. Let the young Finn try to live up to Selänne's legacy (he won't obviously) and get Wpg a low-cost 1st line forward in his prime. I'd assume the price is basically any young player with elite upside

Adding spare parts you (let's be honest) that you're basically indifferent to isn't going to swing that trade in Anaheim's favor. I personally believe Rostilainen is one of the worst defensemen in the league, but even when considering the somehow not terrible perception of him I think they'd have to cough up at least a 1st rounder or one really solid prospect as well (Tage isn't that and you know it). But I might be wrong, if there's any substance behind him for Ehlers I think that's an absolute slam dunk for Buffalo as well. But then again I'd consider giving him away for free a slam dunk too.

From a Sabres fan to Sabres fan perspective, I agree. But he's right handed and can play anywhere across the line, so the RW concern isn't much of a concern. And he isn't much of a two way monster, not a liability defensively, but just about average two way game. I think people in this thread are freaking out because they don't know enough about the Sabres players going the other way.

You're delusional if you think Rakell is worth Laine

If you don't view Ristolainen positively, then this framework of a trade obviously will never work for you. Because he's the main piece here. Risto is a very polarizing player, and a lot of people do see him as a valuable asset.

I see him as absolutely worthless, but even when I ignore my personal beliefs don't see this happening. When I go by not even general, but the perception leaning the opposite way of mine, I could maybe, maybe see him being traded for Ehlers - if you undervalue Nik solely based on points. Every other person on this board has a ACGM of Rakell going to literally every cap strapped team because he's a great forward on a cheap deal. I just honestly think people are being lazy, don't watch Anaheim, and then assume he can just be had for whatever they have in abundance

I actually don't think Laine is worth Rakell. Especially for Wpg that 3 year deal costing nothing against the cap would be of immense value. With that said I understand that general perception is something else. If the Jets feel like they can't pay Laine with their cap situation, I think something involving the Ducks and Rakell would be a great option. Because its hockey, and because outdated methods of evaluating players are prominent, I could see Anaheim adding on that deal. But yes, I've made myself clear, I think Rakell is the better player.