Kucherov signs for 8 years at 9.5 and we are stuck with that bull****. I hate Mitch Marner, he may need to go

That money would be for a 7 to 8 year contract

We are talking 22y old kids here ( Nylander, Matthews and Marner ) that would sign for 8 x 9M, but are dragged around by their agents, dads, dog and a travel agent. You shouldnt underestimate that factor, they want their part of Millions, regardless how their clients / children fall out in fan base eyes. And with Dubarelli caving on Matthews for 2M ( Nylander was minor ) vultures have smelled their opportunity.

Matthews was different he had leverage. We would be days away from Arizona giving him 14-16mil ifnwe didnt take the 11.6

I know they talked about 3 years/9 million for Matthews and Toronto said that was too much for a short term bridge.

I've been trying to find the most expensive bridge deal in NHL history and it might be Kucherov at 3years/14 million?

For Marner I think a 2 year is probably the best number (although Freddie is up the same year). Ideally the cap goes up again by then, and most of your other stars have cost certainty. 2 years/14 million is extremely reasonable. I would MUCH rather do that then trade him.

Kucherov's 9.5 million was after a bridge deal and the Flo tax free state makes his cash value closer to 12 million contract, compared to what a Canadian government tax grab player would bring home.

Also, I've stated this many times here, only 6 other current NHL players (Mcdavid, Stamkos, Ovie, Malkin, Crosby, E. Staal) have scored a 90+ point season before their 22nd bday.

And the panical overpayment brought us here where we are now......

We are yelling now let Marner go, take 4 x 1sts....many trades with pretty much big return are posted, would be also possible to let Im-not-greedy-I-deserve-8x13M boy go to ARI ( he would be thrilled to watch playoffs from home TV , tho first round exits doesnt feel much different ), Marner would accept 8 x 9M and 1,5M difference with 11,5M Matthews money would create a miracles.

Tax free State has been debunked in this situation. Signing bonuses are a massive tax shelter in a similar fashion. Read up on them

Believe the lies I see.

You're comparing Matthews who is twice th player though. Matthews would win the art Ross playing with JT

No it's actual fact. Nam in business it's simple.

LOL. Place 2 pure goal scorers together and they'll both cancel each other's potential.

lol. Those are strong words.. but I agree with where things might end up at this rate.

It's not rocket science to imagine how the leafs are a better team by trading Marner to balance the roster and cap while also removing this circus of a sideshow.

Just want to have a roster of players that want to play here and win. Too much to ask I know

The media and the fans have to stop hating on the players wish to get well paid, as if we wouldn't ask for fair market value pay raises in their positions? haha.

Nylander's career and popularity has been derailed because of the "circus sideshow" but in reality he, his dad and his agent all did what was needed for Willy. Pro sports are not a game played for love anymore, it's an entertainment business. The old days of the NHL being a bunch of "commies" are over. As the NBA states now, the owners and players are working partners in a business, this isn't slavery anymore.

and heres where your shielding 5 x 11,634M fails.....he wants out asap as the Term tells you....*cough* i m helping your Cap with 5years term *cough*

It really is the antics that people are getting fed up with, imo. Marner's camp's tactics, how this is being played out in the media, people openly calling Dreger "Paul Marner" on his posts, the rumours of the Paul Marner burner accounts, the reports of Mitch feeling slighted on his ELC and playing time as a rookie, how he feels disrespected, the walking away from an 80M offer to pursue offer sheets... it's all really some next level stuff..

He's a fun player to watch and he's talented as can be, but is he worth what he's asking for? Is this whole spectacle worth it? I'd say no to both. I hope Dubas tables their best offer with a cut -off date, and if Mitch doesn't like the deal then let him know he'll be traded, and get on with the rest of the team's business. And then we can all sit back and watch Dreger's head explode.

there's alot of truth to what you posted. And as a entertainment business, I hope the leaf brass are asking themselves does giving Mitch what he wants make their product better ? The Leafs as an organization are in a position where they really don't need worry about making money, they'll always turn a buck no matter how awful the team is. But if they ever win the cup, money would flow like crazy.

My take is that if Marner won't play ball, then the leafs could become a better team by trading him, balancing the roster and cap rather then overpay him like crazy and subtract from the team in order to accommodate him. I could be wrong, but given the circus that Marner's camp has turned into, I'm not that concerned if I have the wrong take here.

Well both Marleau and Zaitsev have agreed to accept their trade bait fate (along with an over paid 4th liner in Brown) so the Leafs can keep Marner, and does losing a 39 year old over paid winger and a over paid 4-5 Dman any "lost" to be concern of?

Not at all, although I've always had a bit of a soft spot for Z. But Mitch getting paid what Mitch thinks he's worth could likely cost Kadri or Kap or Johnsson in trades in an attempt to improve the d while managing the cap.

So, to me the question is... what makes the leafs a better team? Marner at 11.5M/5 yrs, or taking 4 1st, or trading Mitch for RHD help and additional cap space to burn on some LW grit? From what I've been reading from Leafland fans more and more people are losing interest in seeing Mitch paid what he wants as the best way for the team to move forward.

Nothing new here, was same last year with Nylander. Site went from greedy b.st.rd, over hes vitim of dad and agent, to let him sit and kick him to KHL, at the end theories about pre-set situation were rolling cause money was here for curent season ( 10M ) but not for next....

"Luckily" Matthews pulled his overpayment under the radar so all we could do was shrug, shed a tear or two knowing to what this will lead..........and here we are now.

Well the problem stems from Dubas signing Tavares to a long term deal the summer before his 3 prized young stars. In hind sight, Dubas saves J.T.'s cap money to spend on an upgrade of their D. Rookie GM mistake believing he could get all his RFA stars signed cheap.

Matthews should have got Eichel money,
Marner should have got Draisaitl money, and
Nylander should have got Larkin money.

I get what you're saying, but I would say it's a bit different in that despite the angst that came out with the Nylander saga the contract negiotiations were kept in-house and seemed like it was cordial between both sides. And depsite the Mike Mylander narrative, I don't think he actually said boo in the media. as for matthews, I'd say you're pretty spot on.

But how this Marner contract is playing out is just next level nutty... Check my post to Jangle above. I do think this is "new" if not unwanted.

Coullda shoulda woulda..

I dunno, man. I think it be nuts for any team to walk away from signing a UFA like JT if he wanted to play for your team.

Marner has an 80M offer on the table, which by all accounts is an overpay, and its still not good enough. His camps tactics seem to be losing him leverage everyday at this point, and he might be overplaying his hand badly

I love J.T. but when spending 11 UFA million dollars I would want a player that's lead his team past the 2nd Round. The J.T. signing isn't winning any Cups.