Problem with Marner is the taxes.

Point will sign for something like 7 Million in Tampa, which would be roughly what Marner will make after taxes if he signs for 10 M in Toronto.

Point plays in Tampa, with considerably lower taxes and the lightnighy is by far the best team in the league. He deserves more than Marner, but their contracts could end up being a very similar AAV because of those two factors. The issue here is that Marner, Marner’s family, and Marner’s agent believe that Marner is every bit as good as Matthews is. So with Matthews giant contract, he will be the comparable used in negotiations.

I also think Marner will sign from 9 to 10 million per year.

I disagree, the direct comparison for Marner is Ratanen.
And Ratanen should get more than Marner.

I was saying that for Marner’s agent they’ll use Matthews as a comparable. Obviously Rantanen is a better one, and Dubas will use him. Sorry for the confusion

My predictions are:

Point = $9M x 6
Marner = $10,366 x 6
Aho = $9M x 8
Rantanen = $10M x 8
Tkachuk = $8,75M x 7
Laine = $9,5M x 6

Rantanen is getting over 10

I think the bigger question is who signs an offer sheet to force a teams hand first?

One player is going to sign first and the parade will start but if some make it to July 1st, which I think a couple are, one of them may get an offer they cant refuse.

I also think that this is going to make a for a really interesting draft because teams will be looking to shed cap gor these players

Guessing what I think they will sign for (if all go for 8 years) not what they are worth:

Marner 9.75 mil x 8
Aho 9.00 mil x 8
Rantanen 9.00 mil x 8
Point 8.25 mil x 8
Tkachuk 8.25 mil x 8
Laine 8.25 mil x 8

Bonus:
Boeser 6.75 mil x 4
Meier 5.5 mil x 4
Connor 5.5 mil x 4

I know Marner and his agent will try to compare his salary to Matthews and Nylander who were overpaid by the Leafs. But the real comparables should be with other NHL players.
You're right BCAPP, everyone seems to think the Leafs have to overpay their RFAs....but seemingly not other teams.

Why do you think Aho do much lower than Rantanen/Marner? He is a c (worth more) and way ****tier line mates.

marner probably gets less years than the rest because Toronto simply cant afford to give him 11 or 12 a year for 7 or 8 years, which also translates to a lower aav. Maybe 3 year 8million aav?

Laine also probably gets a shorter deal because he started out his career on fire and now froze over. So which guy are you paying for, possibly the best goal scorer in the entire league or what he has shown lately. maybe 2 or 3 years, 6million?

Rantanen is one that the team can afford to do 8 years, so the question is aav, I would guess about 10 or 10.5 but im really not sure.

I think boeser and Connor get more. I haven't checked in on Connor in a bit but how is he comparing to Ehlers when they signed him a couple years ago?

So I don't follow Colorado media at all. Is that the feeling out there? The few AGMs I've seen here are below 10

its because the leafs already showed a willingness to overpay their rfas. Marner will be compared with Matthews because its the same team and their performances aren't too different.

Simply because CAR can't afford to pay maximum sums because they can't afford to. They have obviously the cap space, but they are never close to the salary cap because as a small team they don't have that much money.

The taxes thing is quite exaggerated by people not understanding how the taxes work. For players who play in an American market you are charged at the tax rate of when you earn the money. Ie when you're in New York, you pay New York taxes, when you're playing a game in la you pay California taxes. So the tax break only applies to home games (I am not sure about Canadian away games. May apply there as well). Remember also that while these states don't have state taxes they still have significant budgets and need to make their money somewhere so they pay higher taxes in other areas (one area is often property tax). Living there will eat into some more of their money in other ways.

Now Toronto is for sure a higher tax environment and Tampa a lower one, but a lot of the estimates out there of like 30% differences are large exaggerations. These guys (should at least) be paying accountants to optimize their tax situation and are likely looking at significantly less difference.

Matthews is a center who since entering the league as a teenager had been scoring goals at the second best pace in the league.

Marner went back to junior for a year. Entered the league a year later. Played pretty damn good for two years, then excellent for one. Marners family and agent can and should TRY to argue they're on the same level. But they're not and should t be paid as such.

Ehlers makes 6 I dont see them giving Connor more than that if anything theyd have the same cap hit

They have cap, they may as well lock him down and for 8 years i assume the going rate is at least 80 mill, id assume it would match like Eichels contract

tax is so misconceived on this site lmao and I'm an audit student so its probably my number one pet peeve

That comparable can be applied to any team.... something to keep in mind.





So both of you seem to think marner is going to get more than Rantanen...

Last 2 seasons...

Rantanen 154gp 60g 111a 171p
Marner 156gp 47g 108a 155p

One of these players is playing for their home town team which is a cap strapped contender. How anyone thinks that Marner is making more than him is beyond me. I could certainly see them taking the same amount.

The argument of leafs other rfa’s Is pointless as any player in the league can point to them.

Hmmm... leafs don’t have the cap space... so can we pay marner less?

Now for my guesses...

Rantanen 10.5m
Marner 10.5m
Aho 10.25m x 5 years
Tkachuk 9.25m
Point 10m
Laine 7.5m x 2 years.

Taxes are different in canada. Also players dont pay taxes for the away games, thatd be ridiculous (even in jobs where you travel, that would be a nightmare.) Theyre salaried so all their state taxes are from the state where their team is located. Unless their residence is in a different US state, which how that states addresses income earned in a different state varies but they also pay income taxe in the state it is earned. But even then were talking 3 to 5% differences in the US (for a US citizen)