Where do I sign?

Pesce>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kapanen

not saying it'll cost u nylander for pesce, but 2 middle six wingers whom are rfa's to be isnt enough either. pecsce has term and a good contract.

Kappy can go straight up for Pesce at the trade deadline, but now you need brown and a late pick. For a maybe

Carolina declines. Pesce is worth way more than that.

I don't mind Zaitsev, he's a bit overpriced, I don't see what the value is for Ottawa. If he's a cap dump as you suggest, wouldn't Ottawa just spend the 4.5 X 5 elsewhere? What's the point of trading for MacArthur?

And one big fat easy no from the hurricanes

LTIR

But if the Leafs have LTIR or Ottawa holds the LTIR there is no difference to the cap.

Peace's fair value is right around Kapanen and a pick, likely a 2nd. So you guys saying Carolina declines is for more is insane. Kapanen being a RFA and Pesce having term left doesn't affect the value THAT much in Carolina's favour. Since Kapanen is a RFA, Carolina has his rights. Could easily sign him to a long term deal around Pesce's cap hit which would be a steal of a contract for Carolina. Pesce is heavily more of a one way defensive minded dman and not much of an offsneive threat. Kapanen is a two way player with offensive upside of possibly consistently scoring between 25-30 goals each year while playing PK time too. Straight up they're pretty close to fair value, Toronto adding a pick definitely gets it down and really how much more valuable is a 2nd round pick that might be a NHL player, than Connor Brown who is already a NHL player? Not much of at all.

Toronto wouldn't move Kapanen and Brown for Pesce and lose 2 roster players for one. Kapanen and a 2nd for Pesce is more than fair value.

Mmmm.....

Brown can score 20. Kappy 30. So 50 goals on an offensively starved team for Pesce, and it's good enough for Triumph the Insult Dog to poop on?

Pesce is good. But come on. It isn't that far off base either.

Value is a function of performance and contract.

Brown has 5 goals this year.
Kapanen has 19.

What?

By that logic, Nylander can score 30 goals so why not Pesce for Nylander? Oh right, cause Toronto fans think he's their 3rd best forward, when in reality, he's 4th or 5th.

Nylander for Pesce is a fair trade for both clubs. Pesce is a bonafide young defenseman who can play top pairing heavy minutes on the right side and fits Toronto’s age perfectly. Now, is it impossible that Toronto trades Kapanen + brown for Pesce? Absolutely not. But it would be considered a “bad trade” for Carolina. No one really knows what GMs are thinking / how they view certain players. No one on CF could’ve predicted that hall would only fetch Larson. So in summery, could kappanen + brown fetch Pesce? Theoretically yes, but Carolina would be losing the trade.

Agree 100%. Nylander for Pesce fills needs for both teams, and it would make both teams better in the long term. Carolina has a surplus of defensemen, and Toronto has a surplus of top 6 forwards. This move makes both teams more balanced.

Lol those are the dumbest comments I've read. No offence. But Nylander for Pesce is Hall for Larsson 2.0. Carolina gets a steal on that. Pesce is heavily defensive minded just like Larsson., Nylander is one of the best youngest pure talents in the league. Pesce and Larsson are both seen as 3-4 dman, Nylander and Hall are both seen as top line wingers that can play centre.. that's just a horrible trade for Toronto. There's a reason why they didn't make it when Nylander didn't have a contract: because its not fair value.

lmaooooo. Hall>>>Nylander and Pesce>>>Larsson. take the bias glasses off bud. pesce is already a legit top pairing shutdown D and is only 24. pesce for Nylander is very fair

lol. there is no bias. I'm a Leafs fan, yes. Doesn't mean there's bias. I want this team to win and improve, but that trade doesn't improve Toronto and that offer is a joke. If that deal was gonna be made, it woulda been made when Nylander was a RFA. There's a reason it wasn't. It's heavily too one sided towards Carolina. Pesce is not already a legit top pairing dman, he's bounced back and forth throughout the top 6. If he was a "legit top pairing shutdown D", he wouldn't bounce back and forth, he'd stay in his top pairing. Check dailyfaceoff.com .. watch some Hurricanes games.. right now he's on the second pairing LHD spot with Faulk.. he's not a top pairing guy. Legit top pairing guys are solid both ways.. that's why Hamilton plays more than Pesce does on the top pair. Slavin plays more on the top pair. Those guys are the legit top pairing guys in Carolina. Pesce is a very good secondary, complimentary piece to a d core. He's not the guy you build around and give the most minutes every night. Nylander has shown that he can control the play better than most Leafs forwards (he has one of the best possession stats on the team). That says that Nylander is trending towards a future top line guy, while Pesce is still the 3-4 dman that can fill in on the top pair if needed. Yes he'd be Toronto's immediate best RHD, but that doesn't qualify him as a "legit top pairing shutdown guy" and most definitely does not say that fair value for him is Nylander. So you might wanna check the glasses your wearing and see if there's any bias in them, or learn some things about hockey.

Prior to acquiring Hamilton he was their top pair guy. Francais made a dumb moving trading for Hamilton when they already had an insane right side with Pesce/Faulk/TVR. He’s a guy that leafs definitely need, much more than 5 goal nylander nylander. I agree leafs probably won’t trade nylander especially when his value is at an all time low, but in order to acquire a guy like Pesce is gonna cost you nylander. Not kappanen or Johnson lmao

"Nylander is basically the same calibre player as Kapanen, but Kapanen for Pesce is super unfair and Nylander for Pesce is spot on"

There won't be a difference to the cap, however Ottawa still owes him real money, and since the leafs are a wealthier franchise, and the Senators are trying to cut costs while they rebuild, they would probably want to get rid of the real money they owe players who aren't going to play. Similar to when the leafs traded David Clarkson for Nathan Horton

Lol. You must not watch hockey then. To suggest Nylander's value is at an all time low is pathetic. He's been one of the Leafs best forward for the past month and a half or so. Points are everything there bud. His totals are low cause he started off slow since he missed the first 2 months of the season and training camp. That takes a while to catch up to the rest of the league, shocked he was even able to before the season was over. Again, if the price was Nylander the deal woulda been made when he was a RFA. You continue to make dumb comments.

If Pesce was a true "legit top pairing shutdown dman" as you said, Carolina wouldn't have felt the need to go out and get someone else don't you think? If they already had Pesce as a top pairing guy, they'd use what they gave up for Hamilton for another need on the team. The fact is, Pesce is not a 1 or 2 dman right now. He's a 3-4 guy, and a very good one. But he may have reached his ceiling already and won't be much more than that when he's in the proper role. Even expert hockey analysts say that. So you saying that he's more than that, shows considerable arrogance on your half. Carolina has been rumoured to be very interested in Kapanen and Johnsson. Throw one of them with a 2nd (preferably Kapanen, but that's just my personal preference) and it gets you Pesce for Toronto. It adds what both teams need. Toronto gets their top 4 (not top pairing) guy that can bounce in between the top pairing and middle pairing. & Carolina gets a cost efficient, highly skilled winger to play in their immediate top 6. Both teams get guys with team control (Pesce with years left on his deal, Kapanen/Johnsson being a RFA and can sign ling term in Carolina). It makes more than perfect sense. Nylander is worth much more than Pesce straight up. Hence the reason he was talked about for Pietrangelo (an actually bonafide top pairing dman). Those are facts and analysts from hockey experts. So go watch some hockey and get a better view on it, then respond. Otherwise, I see no point in continuing this conversation.

I’m not even wasting my time to argue with clueless Leaf fans like yourself. Most bias person I’ve encountered on here in a long time. Clearly you see every other fan base on here saying nylander=pesce. Bruins fan say it, hawks fans say it, etc... just admit you’re being biased and move on bud. Mr “5 goals” nylander may not even bring in pesce right now Haha. I said the trade won’t happen cause both teams probably don’t have interest in doing it. The deal would’ve been made while nylander was a unsigned. Kappenen probably doesn’t even make Carolina’s top 6 next year lmao. Carolina has zero interest in doing that Trade

Lol. Love how you blow past my point of actual hockey analysts saying that Pesce isn't worth Nylander. Like I give a **** what other "fans" say.. of course they'd want Toronto to give up more to get less to make them easier to play against. I'm not being biased, I've given you facts that are out there for everyone to look up and see. So I'll "admit to being bias" when you admit that you're making idiotic comments saying that a players value is based purely on his goals/points totals. LOL learn some hockey there kid.