Both Rielly and Dermott have played Rd most of their careers and do it well...

That giant Wall, once inflation was added, predicted 11aav + the difference between Matthews and Eichel's. I missed on the term for sure but the AAV was spot on

I never said anything about a discount. The post argued for almost this exact AAV. The only difference was that I had that at 7-8 years, which was exactly what McDavid and Eichel did. When that post was built (in the off season) there was no reason to think it would be 5 years

This includes the Horton LTIRetirement (as his hit is not there) and yes, I think that this AM contract has ended one of Z or Browns Leafs tenure. Depends on the cap whos ticket has been bought

Kase

He actually bought 1 UFA year.

currently 10 players on the Leafs average .5 PPG or more....

You're looking at salary, not AAV and assuming they will run with a 23 man roster. As Bobfather pointed out, they might just run with a 20 man roster with the Marlies down the street for home games and the financial resources to charter a private jet if they absolutely had to get a guy for an away game.

When they do that in the playoffs, they will be going places. Hopefully Matthews doesn't go on vacation this off season like he did last season.

Much smaller sample, but they had 8 and Kadri (only four games) average .5 PPG. Not a great series for Matthews, though he was much better than previous year.
I get your point, and the Penguins obviously had a great run that season (and just about every other season) but the Leafs do have quite a bit of depth, and can run four lines.

So let’s look at Kyle Dubas’s last 3 moves

1- Nylander signing...this site has it 68 thumbs up to 38 thumbs down but Nylander hasn’t played well

2- Muzzin trade...62 people says fair deal...33 people say L.A. won the trade and 33 say the Leafs won the trade

3- Matthews signing...70 thumbs down to 38 thumbs up

Dubas has definitely split many people’s opinions on his decisions.

I'm desperate hear what HawksFan28 thinks about whats going on in Leaf land. That guy spent the whole summer lighting up every chat board about how the leafs were gonna lose one of the big 4 plus Marleau, Kadri and Gardiner, while arguing about how much Nylander, AM34 and Marner are gonna demand. So far hes been wrong about literally everything he said hahahaha.

Lmao you never got the AAV, just straight up lying.

Even if you did, who cares? The AAV would be completely different on an 8 year deal.

You're way off all of the time. Stop posting.

Surprised any of those have the Leafs losing something. Most Leaf fans thumb it up regardless.

The AAV with no factors like cap inflation or other things was 8@10. Inflation brought that to 8@11, and then the difference was how much better you thought Matthews was than eichel (11.34-11.5). I was off by 300k and 3 years for the term. bob Mackenzie was also off by 300k, so it is fair to say that I nailed the AAV, but messed up the term, as there was no recent precedent at the time of creation to suggest he would go shorter than 8. Funny how you are lying while calling me a lier.

No they dont lol.

The Nylander signing was a good signing. It was an overpay by like 250-500k max for a holdout (which is pretty good considering). People were pissed at him so the bitter ones said bad contract (disregarding reality). Remember how all the other fan bases thought it would be way over 7? (7.5 seemed to be the fan favourite, but I saw many for 8+).

The Muzzin deal was fair. Muzzin has been great already (and exactly what TOR needed let me tell you, physicality plus a point shot and good defensive awareness etc.)
LA got two B prospects and a 1st, which is about expected for that deal (it is very similar to the mcdonaugh deal, which was done before he started to go for the norris obviously)
Both team got what they wanted for pieces that weren't in the plan. Win-win (aka fair trade). Some thought it was an overpayment (it really was not, they are over valuing Durzi if they think that), and some looked at it from the leafs perspective of giving up nothing important for a #2 Dman.

The Matthews contract has a good aav, but is too short. If it were even one year longer it would likely be even on the yays and nays. Either way, Matthews got both his aav and small term, so it was not as good a deal it could have been.
But think about it, how bad can something be if your primary complaint is that there isn't enough of it?

I still find it hard to believe that Matthews is entitled to be paid the second highest player in the league....and by a wide margin. Don't know if the Leafs really had an option if they truly believed that Matthews would have been offered sheeted at even a higher cost. The term, I suspected, was Matthews idea, I truly think he wants to be a UFA as soon as possible to explore his options in a big US market. (the Leafs only bought one year of UFA). Still in year five the Leafs could trade Matthews if they feel the team isn't a true contender. And either way in the summer of 2024 the Leafs will have additional cap when Matthews likely leaves as UFA.

You got all those likes. While being wrong lol

My goodness. Eight pages in less than 24 hours?

Running with a 20 man roster is just stupid. Yes you can get away with it with home games, but what happens when they're out west and someone takes a puck in warm ups.

Exactly...a small sample...every year it will be...4-7 games.

RFA contracts % of cap

Crosby: 5 years at 17.3%
Chara: 5 years at 17.05%
Malkin: 5 years at 15.34%
Matthews: 5 years at 13.68%
Stamkos: 5 years at 11.66%
Toews: 5 years at 11.09%
Kane: 5 years at 11.09%

It's a normal contract for a player like Matthews coming out of a rookie deal. The McDavid deal is an undervalued contract.

Perhaps it wasn't you then. I remember someone arguing that both players were going to take a discount.

Tends to happen when a big contract is signed. People love to argue.

Fair point on the away games. I would think they could still play a night with 5 D or 11 forwards if that were the case. 21 (7d) might make them more comfortable.