Vancouver Trade but not Tanev

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	79 500 000 $	76 586 111 $	2 550 000 $	6 250 000 $	2 913 889 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Kapanen, Kasperi 863 333 $863 333 $ AD UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) C UFA - 1	Nylander, William 10 277 778 $10 277 778 $ AD UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas 787 500 $787 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 7	Marner, Mitchell 894 167 $894 167 $ (850 000 $$850K) AD UFA - 1
Marleau, Patrick 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ AG, C NMC UFA - 2	Kadri, Nazem 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 4	Brown, Connor 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
		Moore, Trevor 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, AD UFA - 1
Lindholm, Pär 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) AG, C UFA - 1	Gauthier, Frédérik 675 000 $675 000 $ C UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 4	Edler, Alexander 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG NTC UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 3
Gardiner, Jake 4 050 000 $4 050 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Zaitsev, Nikita 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD UFA - 6	Sparks, Garret 675 000 $675 000 $ G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Hainsey, Ron 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1
Marincin, Martin 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Ozhiganov, Igor 925 000 $925 000 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
	Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3	Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
	Ennis, Tyler 650 000 $650 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

24 déc. 2018 à 13 h 12

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Edler can play in all situations and is on pace for 49 points and that's all were are getting back!?!?

No way if the canucks are looking to trade Edler they're looking for a first or prospect. Yes he's worth that much cuz unlike your defenceman u have already he's actually good in all situations. Not just offence or defence.

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24 déc. 2018 à 13 h 34

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This trade is horrible, but since its the holiday season, im in a good mood, so 3 stars

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24 déc. 2018 à 13 h 37

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I like the idea of Edler but the rental market is thin and the cost prohibitive. I'm sure a desperate team would offer more than a 3rd+ but the real question is, does Edler push this team over the top? He'd help but I strongly doubt it.

24 déc. 2018 à 13 h 40

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Quoting: RC333

Edler can play in all situations and is on pace for 49 points and that's all were are getting back!?!?

No way if the canucks are looking to trade Edler they're looking for a first or prospect. Yes he's worth that much cuz unlike your defenceman u have already he's actually good in all situations. Not just offence or defence.

Yeah, you're right, Rielly playing an average of 22 minutes a night, against top units, is on the PK and is plus 26. But hey, what do I know.

Oh and btw our player that plays on the PK, PP and top defensive pair has 44 points on the year so far, thats better than your whole team btw

24 déc. 2018 à 13 h 52

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Quoting: RC333

Edler can play in all situations and is on pace for 49 points and that's all were are getting back!?!?

No way if the canucks are looking to trade Edler they're looking for a first or prospect. Yes he's worth that much cuz unlike your defenceman u have already he's actually good in all situations. Not just offence or defence.

LOL ... seriously dude? .. Edler isn't a fit for Toronto. Forget the fact that they need a right handed shot, not another lefty.. but he'd play bottom pairing minutes at best with maybe a little time on the PK. He's no where close to cracking either of the Leafs PP units so he wouldn't get any points either. So you're being biased and overvaluing your teams players. You might get lucky and get a 1st OR a decent prospect in return for him. But with him being a pending UFA this summer, you eon't get both.

& I'm sorry, did you say the Leafs defensemen aren't good in all situations? .. Rielly is FAR better than Edler in any situation. even in Edler's prime. and Dermott is better than Edler too, just doesn't have the points cause even he can't get on the Leafs PP. Edler is actually on pace for 39 points, not 49 (he's missed 15 games this year so he would't play a full season). And even Dermott who is playing third pairing minutes is on pace for 23 points. If he got more time on the PP he'd easily hit 30 this year and plays much better defence than Edler. He's not a fit in Toronto. and if he got traded here, you'd be lucky to get a 3rd and a player for him.

Don't overvalue your players just cause their on your favourite team.

24 déc. 2018 à 14 h 18

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Well it looks like I started some debate on Edler, that’s great!

Also; I’m well aware that Edler could get a 1st or so, but if they can’t move him, they will do it similar to the Vanek Trade, get something at least! I’d say the Leafs probably give a second and Holl instead of the third, I thought that’s what I had done. My bad

24 déc. 2018 à 14 h 22

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Quoting: Goulet

I like the idea of Edler but the rental market is thin and the cost prohibitive. I'm sure a desperate team would offer more than a 3rd+ but the real question is, does Edler push this team over the top? He'd help but I strongly doubt it.

I tend to agree that he won’t push them over the top, but if they are fighting Tampa for 1st in the Atlantic, or fighting for the cup, why wouldn’t they make a move on a guy like Edler? Also, I would say that they probably give a 2nd and Holl, accidentally put a third instead.

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24 déc. 2018 à 14 h 45

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Quoting: jonesryan

LOL ... seriously dude? .. Edler isn't a fit for Toronto. Forget the fact that they need a right handed shot, not another lefty.. but he'd play bottom pairing minutes at best with maybe a little time on the PK. He's no where close to cracking either of the Leafs PP units so he wouldn't get any points either. So you're being biased and overvaluing your teams players. You might get lucky and get a 1st OR a decent prospect in return for him. But with him being a pending UFA this summer, you eon't get both.

& I'm sorry, did you say the Leafs defensemen aren't good in all situations? .. Rielly is FAR better than Edler in any situation. even in Edler's prime. and Dermott is better than Edler too, just doesn't have the points cause even he can't get on the Leafs PP. Edler is actually on pace for 39 points, not 49 (he's missed 15 games this year so he would't play a full season). And even Dermott who is playing third pairing minutes is on pace for 23 points. If he got more time on the PP he'd easily hit 30 this year and plays much better defence than Edler. He's not a fit in Toronto. and if he got traded here, you'd be lucky to get a 3rd and a player for him.

Don't overvalue your players just cause their on your favourite team.

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24 déc. 2018 à 15 h 38

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An AHLer and a 3rd doesn’t get Edler

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24 déc. 2018 à 15 h 58

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I submitted a trade for Edler and Tanev that I think is reasonable and helps the Leafs with their cap situation. Essentially it's Edler + Tanev retaining 1/2 their salary for their respective terms for Zaitsev, 3rd, and Sandin.

Not sure how much Gardiner will want, but getting rid of Zaitsev gives you a shot are resigning him or another Dman. Having Edler allows you to still push for the cup this year. What do you think?

24 déc. 2018 à 16 h 18

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Quoting: sedin33

I submitted a trade for Edler and Tanev that I think is reasonable and helps the Leafs with their cap situation. Essentially it's Edler + Tanev retaining 1/2 their salary for their respective terms for Zaitsev, 3rd, and Sandin.

Not sure how much Gardiner will want, but getting rid of Zaitsev gives you a shot are resigning him or another Dman. Having Edler allows you to still push for the cup this year. What do you think?

I wouldn’t give up Sandin but I like the idea. Makes sense to me.

24 déc. 2018 à 16 h 30

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If, if, wants to waive his NTC, the Canucks would get more in a trade. But there has to be some logic on where Elder fits into the lineup. Reilly with his season and Gardiner aren't moving from their LHD positions. You just can't say Elder is better that Ozhiganov so the Leafs should trade for him.
Reilly is having a career season...and Hainsey is his partner. Does having Elder really help Reilly especially if Reilly has to move to the right side.

24 déc. 2018 à 16 h 31

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Quoting: brenfox31

Who would you include instead?

25 déc. 2018 à 6 h 4

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Quoting: jonesryan

LOL ... seriously dude? .. Edler isn't a fit for Toronto. Forget the fact that they need a right handed shot, not another lefty.. but he'd play bottom pairing minutes at best with maybe a little time on the PK. He's no where close to cracking either of the Leafs PP units so he wouldn't get any points either. So you're being biased and overvaluing your teams players. You might get lucky and get a 1st OR a decent prospect in return for him. But with him being a pending UFA this summer, you eon't get both.

& I'm sorry, did you say the Leafs defensemen aren't good in all situations? .. Rielly is FAR better than Edler in any situation. even in Edler's prime. and Dermott is better than Edler too, just doesn't have the points cause even he can't get on the Leafs PP. Edler is actually on pace for 39 points, not 49 (he's missed 15 games this year so he would't play a full season). And even Dermott who is playing third pairing minutes is on pace for 23 points. If he got more time on the PP he'd easily hit 30 this year and plays much better defence than Edler. He's not a fit in Toronto. and if he got traded here, you'd be lucky to get a 3rd and a player for him.

Don't overvalue your players just cause their on your favourite team.

Wtf? Lol. When youre trading for another teams player youre trading for the value of what that player is worth to them, not what the player is worth to you.. Edler is Vancouvers top Dman and runs 1st PP. Leaf fans, trading a AHLer and a 3rd for him doesnt fly to say the least.. Van says no.

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25 déc. 2018 à 14 h 49

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Quoting: jonesryan

LOL ... seriously dude? .. Edler isn't a fit for Toronto. Forget the fact that they need a right handed shot, not another lefty.. but he'd play bottom pairing minutes at best with maybe a little time on the PK. He's no where close to cracking either of the Leafs PP units so he wouldn't get any points either. So you're being biased and overvaluing your teams players. You might get lucky and get a 1st OR a decent prospect in return for him. But with him being a pending UFA this summer, you eon't get both.

& I'm sorry, did you say the Leafs defensemen aren't good in all situations? .. Rielly is FAR better than Edler in any situation. even in Edler's prime. and Dermott is better than Edler too, just doesn't have the points cause even he can't get on the Leafs PP. Edler is actually on pace for 39 points, not 49 (he's missed 15 games this year so he would't play a full season). And even Dermott who is playing third pairing minutes is on pace for 23 points. If he got more time on the PP he'd easily hit 30 this year and plays much better defence than Edler. He's not a fit in Toronto. and if he got traded here, you'd be lucky to get a 3rd and a player for him.

Don't overvalue your players just cause their on your favourite team.

Quoting: Davisoc

Yeah, you're right, Rielly playing an average of 22 minutes a night, against top units, is on the PK and is plus 26. But hey, what do I know.

Oh and btw our player that plays on the PK, PP and top defensive pair has 44 points on the year so far, thats better than your whole team btw

I'll have what these guys are smoking. Leafs fans are the most clueless LOL

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26 déc. 2018 à 7 h 40

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Quoting: Tmclean64

Wtf? Lol. When youre trading for another teams player youre trading for the value of what that player is worth to them, not what the player is worth to you.. Edler is Vancouvers top Dman and runs 1st PP. Leaf fans, trading a AHLer and a 3rd for him doesnt fly to say the least.. Van says no.

I see now why my trade was undervalued, even considering he is a rental, old and at the deadline Vancouver would have to move him, so what would you guys say is fair?

I say a 2nd, Holl (for roster spot), and a winger prospect or pick - Maybe a guy like Engvall but I like him a lot, and frankly idk if I wanna move any RWs

27 déc. 2018 à 10 h 56

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I'll have what these guys are smoking. Leafs fans are the most clueless LOL

You are a joke dude. What I hate is the NHL fandom that thinks any Toronto Player isnt not as good as what they are. Let me guys, Marner isn't a top winger in the league, Tavarse is over rated. Mathews shouldn't have gone first overall. Get over yourself dude. Stop wasting our time.

27 déc. 2018 à 15 h 35

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Quoting: Davisoc

You are a joke dude. What I hate is the NHL fandom that thinks any Toronto Player isnt not as good as what they are. Let me guys, Marner isn't a top winger in the league, Tavarse is over rated. Mathews shouldn't have gone first overall. Get over yourself dude. Stop wasting our time.

Are you kidding me dude? Marner Tavares and Matthews are all elite don't assume cuz it'll make an ass out of you and not me.

Instead of assuming and playing the poor little victim why don't u get over yourself and understand that not all your players are worth a premium. I know a hell of a lot more hockey than some 10 year old computer warrior so sit back down. The points I made about Tanev are real and if u can't argue against them just don't reply. I don't see the point of making ridiculous claims about your own elite players. Maybe Leafs fans are really dumb haha

Btw learn how to at least spell your players names right

27 déc. 2018 à 17 h 39

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Quoting: RC333

Are you kidding me dude? Marner Tavares and Matthews are all elite don't assume cuz it'll make an ass out of you and not me.

Instead of assuming and playing the poor little victim why don't u get over yourself and understand that not all your players are worth a premium. I know a hell of a lot more hockey than some 10 year old computer warrior so sit back down. The points I made about Tanev are real and if u can't argue against them just don't reply. I don't see the point of making ridiculous claims about your own elite players. Maybe Leafs fans are really dumb haha

Btw learn how to at least spell your players names right

Good one man, assuming everyones age, clever. Really shows your age. I am not even going to fall into your trap of showing how wrong you are. You prove every single time I see your comments just how little you really know. You actually are sad, you call me a keyboard warrior, at least I am not a pathetic online bully.

It is almost as sad as it is funny how pathetic you are.

27 déc. 2018 à 20 h 4

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Let's not fight please, this is my post so I don't really need your whiny asses ruining it.

As you can probably see, i've edited the trade slightly. However I still pose the question - What would you think is more reasonable for Edler AT THE DEADLINE, with no other offers?? (cuz Leafs will only offer a small amount, enough to convince Van to do it if they NEED to.)

If you wanna argue over the skill level of players and whether or not Leafs fans are dumb, do it somewhere else. I didn't make this post for those arguments, i just wanted to know what people thought of acquiring a cheaper rental instead of a longer term option like Tanev (who will cost a guy like Brown - and get rid of our strength of forward depth)

Feel free to debate nicely!

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