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Nylander contract vs Gourde contract

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Date de création initiale: 25 nov. 2018
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I personally believe that Gourde is better than Nylander due to the fact that he has no Matthews. The question is how did Nylander's value get so inflated?
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 40
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Because he's better is why he's getting paid more. Before these contract negotiations people were putting Nylander ahead of Marner and now everyone is calling him just a 60 point winger who rides coattails, it's going to be hilarious watching people eat their words.
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 41
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Okay this is getting ridiculous..

Where was gourde at 22yrs old?

Nylander is better than Gourde, Gourde has Point and Johnson who are great point producers, especially Point.. Nylander is better than Gourde, Gourde is worth that contract but Nylander is worth 7 imo. Gourde is not better than Nylander..
25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 42
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Believe it or not, it actually has to do with taxes.
Toronto has the highest tax rate of any team in the NHL where Tampa is extremely low.

Gourde in the end is actually pocketing more than Nylander would even if he signed for 8 mill
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 46
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Not to compare the two but Nylander is inflated simply because of the media. I have said this every post, take his closest comparables (Larkin, Ehlers, Pastrnak) and slide him in there where he fits. It's quite easy honestly but that won't sell as much as the negative spin
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 47
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Believe it or not, it actually has to do with taxes.
Toronto has the highest tax rate of any team in the NHL where Tampa is extremely low.

Gourde in the end is actually pocketing more than Nylander would even if he signed for 8 mill


Actually nylander would bring in over 1m more in the scenario you have posted. This isn’t even accounting for endorsements.
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 57
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Quoting: leemos27
Believe it or not, it actually has to do with taxes.
Toronto has the highest tax rate of any team in the NHL where Tampa is extremely low.

Gourde in the end is actually pocketing more than Nylander would even if he signed for 8 mill


Personal tax rates have NOTHING to do with actually players take home. Case in point we NEVER hear about the Raptors and Blue Jays having to pay premiums for players. Sorry you're going to use a more realistic argument that that.

It appears Gourde looks like a bargain. But he only had one good year at age 25. The expectation for Nylander is he going to be better than he has been as 22 year old... 6.5m good not 8m.
My prediction is Gourde gets trading next June before his NTC kicks in. Tampa will need cap space, but they will get a nice return on him, instead of having him this year and losing him as a UFA.
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 57
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Quoting: Jangle29
Not to compare the two but Nylander is inflated simply because of the media. I have said this every post, take his closest comparables (Larkin, Ehlers, Pastrnak) and slide him in there where he fits. It's quite easy honestly but that won't sell as much as the negative spin


I agree with your statement, not take anything away from Nylander because he is a great player.
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 58
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Actually Nylander would bring in over 1m more in the scenario you have posted. This isn’t even accounting for endorsements.


Anyone good is making more in Toronto realistically, Nylander is in a contract dispute and is still in commercials. It's more about the number as a status for a lot of NHL players.
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25 nov. 2018 à 11 h 58
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The only time leafs fans say Gourde is better then Nylander is when it comes down to contract negotiations tears of joy
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 2
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Quoting: Price_is_the_goat
The only time leafs fans say Gourde is better then Nylander is when it comes down to contract negotiations tears of joy


Or because they have watched him for close to 200 games. Theres that too. Not to compare the two because I choose Nylander yes but there is not a huge gap, Nylander is a top 6 winger and thats what he should be paid as
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 4
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Okay this is getting ridiculous..

Where was gourde at 22yrs old?

Nylander is better than Gourde, Gourde has Point and Johnson who are great point producers, especially Point.. Nylander is better than Gourde, Gourde is worth that contract but Nylander is worth 7 imo. Gourde is not better than Nylander..


So Ehlers who has similar stats and age as Nylander is worth 6 million, why Nylander 7 million?
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 6
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So Ehlers who has similar stats and age as Nylander is worth 6 million, why Nylander 7 million?


Ehlers is worth 7 as well, he signed contract for 6 but is really worth 7, guy like Pastrnak is worth 7.5-8mil.
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 9
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The only time leafs fans say Gourde is better then Nylander is when it comes down to contract negotiations tears of joy


So a Habs fan says gourde is better all the leafs fans disagree and you post this...
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 18
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So a Habs fan says gourde is better all the leafs fans disagree and you post this...


Bc weber is better than suban?
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 19
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Ehlers is worth 7 as well, he signed contract for 6 but is really worth 7, guy like Pastrnak is worth 7.5-8mil.


Oh so its every other player in the league is underpaid, excellent argument. Be sure to let Larkin know that also as he just signed 6.1 mil, same age/draft and plays Centre (on a tire fire team not with the luxury of playing with Matthews) and put up 63 pts.
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 23
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Gourde might have made more money if he waiting till July and been a UFA. But he had just one good year in the NHL. Taking 33m guaranteed satisfied him more than taking the chance of having a poor year or getting injured. Players do this all the time. Taking guaranteed long term instead of going short term and hoping for greater riches done the road.
And if Gourde plays like a 8m player for the term of his contract, he won't be disappointed. He'll be happy he's playing great.
Kadri of the Leafs seemed to play much better after he got his 6 year 4.6m contract. Maybe he relaxed or became more focused.
25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 24
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Gourde might have made more money if he waiting till July and been a UFA. But he had just one good year in the NHL. Taking 33m guaranteed satisfied him more than taking the chance of having a poor year or getting injured. Players do this all the time. Taking guaranteed long term instead of going short term and hoping for greater riches done the road.
And if Gourde plays like a 8m player for the term of his contract, he won't be disappointed. He'll be happy he's playing great.
Kadri of the Leafs seemed to play much better after he got his 6 year 4.6m contract. Maybe he relaxed or became more focused.


Not worth it to spend the time responding to someone comparing the two, its just dumb
25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 32
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Im just going to copy past this in every single Nylander thread now :
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2014 Draft signed so far
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Ekblad - 7.5 mil - bit high but hes their #1 RD
Draisaitl - 8.5 mil - Center/LW Came off 77 pt season and 1.25 ppg playoff run
Ehlers - 6 mil - LW came off 25 goal 64 pt season
Larkin - 6.1 mil - Center came off 63 pt season on a garage team
Pastrnak - 6.67 - RW mil came off 34 goal 70 pt season
Dvorak - 4.45 mil - Centre came off 15 goal 37 pt season
Montour - 3.387 mil - RD came off 32 pt season
Arvidsson- 4.25mil - LW came off a 31 goal 61 pt season
Kase - 2.6 mil - RW came off 20 goal .58 ppg pace (47 pt over 82)
Mccann - 1.25 mil Centre came off 28 pt season
Fabbri - 925k LW came off 47 ppg pace when he got hurt then missed a season
Virtanen - 1.25 mil RW came off 10 goal 20 pt season
Bennett - 1.95 mil Centre/LW came off 13 goal 26 pt season
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 33
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Why is it that the Larkin contract is never brought up as a reasonable comparible to what Nylander should get?
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25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 37
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Quoting: Jangle29
Not worth it to spend the time responding to someone comparing the two, its just dumb


So comparing Gourde who has more points in the last two seasons than Nylander in your opinion is "dumb". Let me cast the issue in a different light, if Gourde can put up a similar production while playing with Point, you must believe that Point is worth Matthews money?
25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 40
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Also can't compare any Florida based team contract to other teams. Their lack of taxes allow for lower AAVs. If Gourde was on any other team outside of FLA he's making at least $6M
25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 42
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So comparing Gourde who has more points in the last two seasons than Nylander in your opinion is "dumb". Let me cast the issue in a different light, if Gourde can put up a similar production while playing with Point, you must believe that Point is worth Matthews money?


There are many factors into a contract and I hope you can understand this. Age, previous production, future production, players ceiling, RFA years left, UFA age at the end. I can go on. Fact is these two are terrible comparables for a contract. I get what you are saying player wise but that does not translate into a contract the same
25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 43
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Quoting: Jamiepo
So a Habs fan says gourde is better all the leafs fans disagree and you post this...


im not an idiot. idk about other fans. but nylander is much better then gourde. also, draft position also ties into contract talks. it always does. nylander will be a top 10 winger in this league. Gourde is really good, dont get me wrong, but he's not a top 10 winger
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Im just going to copy past this in every single Nylander thread now :
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2014 Draft signed so far
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Ekblad - 7.5 mil - bit high but hes their #1 RD
Draisaitl - 8.5 mil - Center/LW Came off 77 pt season and 1.25 ppg playoff run
Ehlers - 6 mil - LW came off 25 goal 64 pt season
Larkin - 6.1 mil - Center came off 63 pt season on a garage team
Pastrnak - 6.67 - RW mil came off 34 goal 70 pt season
Dvorak - 4.45 mil - Centre came off 15 goal 37 pt season
Montour - 3.387 mil - RD came off 32 pt season
Arvidsson- 4.25mil - LW came off a 31 goal 61 pt season
Kase - 2.6 mil - RW came off 20 goal .58 ppg pace (47 pt over 82)
Mccann - 1.25 mil Centre came off 28 pt season
Fabbri - 925k LW came off 47 ppg pace when he got hurt then missed a season
Virtanen - 1.25 mil RW came off 10 goal 20 pt season
Bennett - 1.95 mil Centre/LW came off 13 goal 26 pt season


Ekblad in my opinion is a good contract, he’s a great Dman. You should reorder this list by contract $$$ and slot Willy in by production.... puts him somewhere between Kase and Larkin. My personal opinion with the eye test is that he is honestly somewhere between elhers and Pastrnak. Mowing at the draft that he was a greedy little sob like his old man we should be willing to pay somewhere between 6.5-7m.

Not to disparage him as team mate. From what I’ve read he is a great team mate, fun supportive and loves kids. Yes he wants his money but he is no where near the villain he is being made out to be.
25 nov. 2018 à 12 h 46
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Quoting: ClockReads2113
Also can't compare any Florida based team contract to other teams. Their lack of taxes allow for lower AAVs. If Gourde was on any other team outside of FLA he's making at least $6M


This is a common thing blasted by the media with no back round facts. This would be the case between a high end player maybe where they give up a small percentage of their deal but not a 5-6 mil deal. The agents and union would be pushing this out of someones head in 2 seconds because they only care about the cap number and cash not what he actually pockets. Maybe it factors a small bit but not always especially for younger guys, look at Ekblad who took Florida to the bank on his deal
 
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