Wheres the improvement in this one ?

Dumb trade.

The pick is going to the wrong team in this trade. Kadri > Pacioretty. MTL should be adding a first +

Toronto doesn't need to trade Kadri for cap relief. That salary cap hit is a bargain.

Kadri's average's for 0.862 or 86% scoring rate
with 458 games played since 2011-2012 and 301 points and 16 GWG's

Pacioretty average's for 0.874 or 87% scoring rate
with 503 games played since 2011-2012 and 399 points including 38 GWG's

both players are similar statistically but Pacioretty is more consistent all around including being a regular 60+ point scorer something Kadri achieved one single solitary time .
Kadri is younger so to me it makes this Trade almost even if you add a pick for MTL like a 3rd round 2019 pick that becomes a 2nd rounder if Pacioretty re-signs . (keeping in mind we're taking a contract that see's Kadri with us until just before his 33rd birthday)

hahahahaha no
Kadri hit 60 points once in his career , Pacioretty lives there
neither of these guys land a 1st in this deal , a 2nd at best as both players have about the same value .

Kadri's a 28 year old inconsistent center with 47.2% faceoff win rate in his time in TOR as a top 6 Center
Pacioretty's done more without talented players around him then Kadri did in his entire Tenure in TOR .
Frig Bozak an Undrafted Center put up similar points while taking 700-900 faceoffs more then Kadri with 53% win rate during his career high 1750+ faceoffs were taken .
the story of Kadri's Career in TML is Underachieving while Undrafted guys step up and do more

You got your points right, all fair and square....but TML actually dont need Pacioretty, who will claim 7M+ next year and losing 1st Rounder or 2nd depending on written conditions.
In my books Kadri should be thrown on market in next 2 years if D will prove some ppl wrong (claiming that we are fine) or to release Cap to get Gardiner re-signed

1. funny how you bring up consistency after pacioretty's piss poor performace last season

2. im not saying kadri is a better player than pacioretty (although he was last season), im saying he has more value in a trade:

a. Kadri plays centre
b. Kadri will have a much lower cap hit than pacioretty's next contract

and the main reason

c. Pacioretty is a rental - why give up 4 years of kadri at a great price for only a 1 year guarantee of pacioretty? the only way TOR does that is if you add a 1st +

What a joke. Kadri is a premier shutdown center who can score 30+ goals too, signed to an amazing deal for 4 more years. Pacioretty is a one-dimensional winger who probably will score 30+ goals, signed for this year only. If I were Toronto management, I wouldn't even do a 1-for-1 trade with these two players.

This trade is a steal for Montreal as a 1-for-1; with a 1st added Bergevin would be jailed for theft.

Also, Kadri is signed to an amazing deal which ends June 30, 2022, at which point Kadri will be 31 years old. Math isn't hard.

Yup, these guys are clueless. Next they'll divert the argument by calling us names like "delusional Leafs fans" etc. (meanwhile I'm not a Leafs fan at all, just realistic about player values).

SMH if 1 bad season negate's consistent success in your world nothing i say will matter.

hahaha then keep your garbage and stop trying to pitch it as another mans treasure sir

This trade is embarrassing. Kadri is a great player on a good long term deal. A 1st isnt going with him for a rental

Also, of every stat you could use to determine trade value for kadri why would you use faceoff percentage? i guess connor mcdavid (41.4%), nathan mackinnon (41.9%), mat barzal (42.6%), evgeni malkin (43.7%), and evgeny kuznetsov (44.2%) must not be worth that much either...

I'm not pitching anything - but then you aren't intelligent enough to realize that, are you? If you weren't so blinded by fanboiyeurism you'd realize that Kadri is worth more than Pacioretty for the reasons outlined above, it's as simple as that.

2. im not saying kadri is a better player than pacioretty (although he was last season), im saying he has more value in a trade:

a. Kadri plays centre
b. Kadri will have a much lower cap hit than pacioretty's next contract

and the main reason

c. Pacioretty is a rental - why give up 4 years of kadri at a great price for only a 1 year guarantee of pacioretty? the only way TOR does that is if you add a 1st +

^ just going to post this part again cause you obviously missed it

i got what you tried to say but i dont call Chucky a Center because he failed in that position to win over 50% faceoffs consistently just like Kadri . (if you dont have 50% win rate after 700 faceoffs you failed )

both are wingers shoved into a center role and honestly i'd feel as ripped off trading Patches for Kadri as i would Galchenyuk or Domi


you see Kadri's deal as a upside
i see it as the reason no team touches him
that being said taking on Hortons cap and taking the lesser winger in the trade to me says draft pick (late 1st , early 2nd )

if you cant sign Pacioretty after moving out that cap total then the issue isnt ability but preference .

Don't forget future considérations. Mtl takes back Horton contract at year end. That is Worth the draft pick.

i dont think so...many simulations from AGMs here has already proven that "We can and we will" is actually a thing, even with Horton

again...Pacioretty will claim 7M + next contract that will span into his late 30's....which is no go considering Tavares & Marner, Matthews and Nylander contracts incoming, so actually you lose Kadri and late second for a year rental that wont assure Cup will be won, cause production wise its actually 1-1 player swap. If Pacioretty would be top 10 shutdown D, then it would make sense...

Kadri had a 50% win rate last year (second most faceoffs on the team), and mostly facing top lines. Kadri took 13.7 faceoffs/game last year, Galchenyuk 1.3.

The fact that you think center = faceoff prowess is a tell, too. There's a LOT more to the position than just winning faceoffs.



You need to get your head read. Everyone in the league sees a 30+ goal scorer who consistantly faces the toughest opposition as a gold nugget. The fact that he's signed to just $4.5M for 4 more years is incredible. Make no mistake, every GM in the league wants this player type at this price.



Horton is on LTIR, his cap hit is basically zero and has no effect on whether or not Toronto can re-sign Pacioretty.

You don't have a clue. Horton is on LTIR and (for all intents and purposes) doesn't have a cap hit.

The problem is 2019-2020, This is why the future consideration at year end. Horton will be a burden next year.

One of the versions : https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/843302

Sorry Phil, you don't understand LTIR. A team can spend to the cap when a player is LTIR. What you're saying if Malkin and Crosby are injured in preseason the Pens were only have 61m to spend on the 23 players they put on the ice. C'mon. Teams aren't punished for having injured players.

And that trade. Term is so important in a trade. Patches is a UFA in a year and Kadri is on a team friendly 4 year team. That trade isn't close to being acceptable for the Leafs.