SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/Armchair-GM

Looking for a 3C...What would it cost?

Créé par: DirtyDangles
Équipe: 2018-19 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 25 mai 2018
Publié: 25 mai 2018
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Looking for feedback...
I have no idea if these values are right.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
32 750 000 $
Transactions
1.
DAL
    Rubstov
    3rd Round Pick
    2.
    TBL
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2019 (PHI)
    3.
    PHI
      Athanasiou
      DET
        Rubstov
        4th Round Pick
        4.
        CHI
          Rubstov
          3rd Round Pick
          5.
          CAR
            Laberge
            3rd Round Pick
            6.
            PHI
            1. Zajac, Travis (1 750 000 $ retained)
            NJD
              Laughton
              3rd Round Pick
              7.
              FLA
                Simmonds
                8.
                PHI
                1. Coyle, Charlie
                2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2018 (MIN)
                MIN
                  Simmonds
                  9.
                  OTT
                    Rubstov
                    4th Round Pick
                    Rachats de contrats
                    Enfoui
                    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
                    2018
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de STL
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de ARI
                    Logo de MIN
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de MTL
                    2019
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de NJD
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    2020
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    Logo de PHI
                    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
                    1678 000 000 $68 572 500 $0 $850 000 $9 427 500 $
                    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
                    2 200 000 $2 200 000 $
                    C, AG
                    UFA - 2
                    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
                    AD, C, AG
                    NTC
                    UFA - 6
                    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
                    AG, AD
                    UFA - 2
                    4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
                    C, AG
                    M-NTC
                    UFA - 3
                    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
                    C
                    UFA - 4
                    1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
                    C
                    NTC
                    UFA - 3
                    2 050 000 $2 050 000 $
                    C, AD
                    UFA - 3
                    3 200 000 $3 200 000 $
                    C, AD
                    UFA - 2
                    3 100 000 $3 100 000 $
                    C
                    UFA - 2
                    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
                    894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
                    DG
                    UFA - 1
                    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
                    DD
                    UFA - 2
                    2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
                    G
                    UFA - 1
                    962 500 $962 500 $
                    C, AG
                    UFA - 1
                    4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
                    DG/DD
                    UFA - 5
                    2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
                    G
                    UFA - 1
                    2 345 000 $2 345 000 $
                    DD
                    UFA - 2

                    Code d'intégration

                    • Pour afficher cette équipe sur un autre site Web ou blog, ajoutez ce iFrame à la page appropriée
                    • Personnalisez les dimensions dans le code IFrame ci-dessous pour adapter votre site de manière appropriée. Minimum recommandé: 400px.

                    Texte intégré

                    Cliquer pour surligner
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 2
                    #1
                    BiscuitBakesHotTaeks
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: avr. 2018
                    Messages: 1,327
                    Mentions "j'aime": 361
                    I mean these are all upper-echelon 3Cs so the price is high, but I don’t think you’re too far off. Faksa is my favorite of the group. He’s a monster in his own zone. He’s a shot suppression MONSTER.
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 35
                    #2
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juin 2016
                    Messages: 629
                    Mentions "j'aime": 66
                    Darren helm would probably be pretty cheap and would help PK
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 43
                    #3
                    neslow92
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: avr. 2018
                    Messages: 545
                    Mentions "j'aime": 154
                    Faska def, guy is awesome, Instead of giving up Rubstov, maybe throw in Laberge and our seconds, I do not want to give up on Rubstov yet.
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 45
                    #4
                    Bryzgalovs_bears
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mars 2018
                    Messages: 132
                    Mentions "j'aime": 32
                    I would take that AA deal in a heartbeat. You grossly overpaid for him. PS he struggles to play center, and mostly plays on the wing.
                    DirtyDangles a aimé ceci.
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 45
                    #5
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: wingsfan33
                    Darren helm would probably be pretty cheap and would help PK


                    He would be cheap because he is terrible. The guys I listed are better quality 3C's which is what the FLyers would want.
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 54
                    #6
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: avr. 2017
                    Messages: 274
                    Mentions "j'aime": 24
                    I think FLA would take that!...I know I would!
                    25 mai 2018 à 9 h 57
                    #7
                    Bryzgalovs_bears
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mars 2018
                    Messages: 132
                    Mentions "j'aime": 32
                    Quoting: DirtyDangles
                    He would be cheap because he is terrible. The guys I listed are better quality 3C's which is what the FLyers would want.


                    You're overvalueing AA and undervalueing Helm. AA can't play center, is dependent on his line mates for success, is a defensive liability, doesn't always show up to games, and needs to be used in a sheltered role with sheltered minutes. Helm can play center and wing, amazing penalty killer, amazing at getting the puck out of the d zone, can play anywhere in the line up, used in a shut down role and still puts up similar numbers to AA, has chemistry with everybody on our team, and one of the hardest working players on the team. Given the choice I would have Helm be a 3C. The Wings have a huge problem of being stuck in our own zone, so I wouldn't trade him just because it would be that much worse with out Helm.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 3
                    #8
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: Bryzgalovs_bears
                    You're overvalueing AA and undervalueing Helm. AA can't play center, is dependent on his line mates for success, is a defensive liability, doesn't always show up to games, and needs to be used in a sheltered role with sheltered minutes. Helm can play center and wing, amazing penalty killer, amazing at getting the puck out of the d zone, can play anywhere in the line up, used in a shut down role and still puts up similar numbers to AA, has chemistry with everybody on our team, and one of the hardest working players on the team. Given the choice I would have Helm be a 3C. The Wings have a huge problem of being stuck in our own zone, so I wouldn't trade him just because it would be that much worse with out Helm.


                    Helm is well below the league average on faceoffs and his advanced stats are not good. As for AA my thinking is that he moves to wing as soon as Frost is ready for the 3C role.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 26
                    #9
                    Bryzgalovs_bears
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mars 2018
                    Messages: 132
                    Mentions "j'aime": 32
                    Quoting: DirtyDangles
                    Helm is well below the league average on faceoffs and his advanced stats are not good. As for AA my thinking is that he moves to wing as soon as Frost is ready for the 3C role.


                    Helm has a career average of 51.3% and posted 51.4% last season. He played Nielsen's left wing most of the season which is why he had a down year face off wise. AA has a career FO of 42%. If that's your plan, AA isn't your guy. Anisimov would be perfect.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 33
                    #10
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: Bryzgalovs_bears
                    Helm has a career average of 51.3% and posted 51.4% last season. He played Nielsen's left wing most of the season which is why he had a down year face off wise. AA has a career FO of 42%. If that's your plan, AA isn't your guy. Anisimov would be perfect.


                    I'm not going to argue over Helm because there is absolutely no point in getting him if we can acquire a much better 3C.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 36
                    #11
                    exo2769
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2015
                    Messages: 15,865
                    Mentions "j'aime": 10,112
                    If I'm looking at this correctly...You really hate Rubstov.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 39
                    #12
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: exo2769
                    If I'm looking at this correctly...You really hate Rubstov.


                    No, I don't but I do think he is going to be a project like Laughton was. That means he is likely 3-4 years away from a roster spot. We have plenty of talent that could beat him to the roster making him redundant.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 42
                    #13
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mai 2015
                    Messages: 19,638
                    Mentions "j'aime": 6,769
                    I'd go get any of those guys, they're all nice adds except for Zajac. He's been a 1 trick pony since signing that abomination of a contract. Even at 4M he's severely overpaid. Guy can;t create offense to save his life. He's similar to Plekanec now. Excellent defensive center but forget scoring and creating. That part of their game is long gone.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 43
                    #14
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: F50marco
                    I'd go get any of those guys, they're all nice adds except for Zajac. He's been a 1 trick pony since signing that abomination of a contract. Even at 4M he's severely overpaid. Guy can;t create offense to save his life. He's similar to Plekanec now. Excellent defensive center but forget scoring and creating. That part of their game is long gone.


                    Just threw Zajac in because he would be relatively cheap to acquire and trying to get a decent list going.
                    25 mai 2018 à 10 h 58
                    #15
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: janv. 2016
                    Messages: 515
                    Mentions "j'aime": 64
                    Modifié 25 mai 2018 à 12 h 8
                    Quoting: Bryzgalovs_bears
                    You're overvalueing AA and undervalueing Helm. AA can't play center, is dependent on his line mates for success, is a defensive liability, doesn't always show up to games, and needs to be used in a sheltered role with sheltered minutes. Helm can play center and wing, amazing penalty killer, amazing at getting the puck out of the d zone, can play anywhere in the line up, used in a shut down role and still puts up similar numbers to AA, has chemistry with everybody on our team, and one of the hardest working players on the team. Given the choice I would have Helm be a 3C. The Wings have a huge problem of being stuck in our own zone, so I wouldn't trade him just because it would be that much worse with out Helm.
                    Ha sorry misread!
                    25 mai 2018 à 11 h 1
                    #16
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: Lly
                    What? Anisimov is not a defensive liability and he most definitely does not play in a sheltered role, and he literally hasn't played wing outside of like 3 games for the Hawks in 3 seasons. I know Columbus used him there for a bit when their center depth was better, butt he Hawks never really did because Q liked him at center. Q often throws our AA during defensive situations, late game when protecting a lead, which is part of why his WOWY numbers away from his offensively skewed linemates are less. His transition and passing numbers are very solid as well.

                    Now, he is not great at faceoffs, but those are overrated on a whole since they've been proven to not impact possession/goals/wins (their impact ends about 6 seconds after the event), and he does not instantly have chemistry with everyone. However, Anisimov is a good on the PK and is great at net front presence on the PP, and is a good maintainer 5v5, so he definitely has value. I don't think he's worth his contract necessarily, especially as a 3C, but he's a good player to have on your team for depth.


                    I think he was referring to Athanasiou
                    Bryzgalovs_bears a aimé ceci.
                    25 mai 2018 à 11 h 57
                    #17
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mai 2017
                    Messages: 297
                    Mentions "j'aime": 43
                    You overrate Rubtsov and Laberge's value has gone down the toilet. At least you traded him for the worst player (value wise) there
                    25 mai 2018 à 12 h 1
                    #18
                    Bryzgalovs_bears
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mars 2018
                    Messages: 132
                    Mentions "j'aime": 32
                    Quoting: Lly
                    What? Anisimov is not a defensive liability and he most definitely does not play in a sheltered role, and he literally hasn't played wing outside of like 3 games for the Hawks in 3 seasons. I know Columbus used him there for a bit when their center depth was better, butt he Hawks never really did because Q liked him at center. Q often throws our AA during defensive situations, late game when protecting a lead, which is part of why his WOWY numbers away from his offensively skewed linemates are less. His transition and passing numbers are very solid as well.

                    Now, he is not great at faceoffs, but those are overrated on a whole since they've been proven to not impact possession/goals/wins (their impact ends about 6 seconds after the event), and he does not instantly have chemistry with everyone. However, Anisimov is a good on the PK and is great at net front presence on the PP, and is a good maintainer 5v5, so he definitely has value. I don't think he's worth his contract necessarily, especially as a 3C, but he's a good player to have on your team for depth.


                    I'm talking about Andreas Athanasiou not Artem Anisimov.
                    L_B_R a aimé ceci.
                    25 mai 2018 à 12 h 8
                    #19
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: janv. 2016
                    Messages: 515
                    Mentions "j'aime": 64
                    Quoting: Bryzgalovs_bears
                    I'm talking about Andreas Athanasiou not Artem Anisimov.


                    Ooh my bad then. AA is always the shorthand for Anisimov too haha!
                    Bryzgalovs_bears a aimé ceci.
                    25 mai 2018 à 12 h 9
                    #20
                    Bryzgalovs_bears
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: mars 2018
                    Messages: 132
                    Mentions "j'aime": 32
                    Quoting: DirtyDangles
                    I'm not going to argue over Helm because there is absolutely no point in getting him if we can acquire a much better 3C.


                    The big point is Athanasiou will be a big disappointment as 3C. Don't forget about free agency. Statsny and Bozak aren't bad options and won't cost you any assets.
                    25 mai 2018 à 12 h 10
                    #21
                    Démarrer sujet
                    Banni
                    Avatar de l'utilisateur
                    Rejoint: juill. 2016
                    Messages: 13,508
                    Mentions "j'aime": 3,060
                    Quoting: Bryzgalovs_bears
                    The big point is Athanasiou will be a big disappointment as 3C. Don't forget about free agency. Statsny and Bozak aren't bad options and won't cost you any assets.


                    True but they are both older and will want a fair amount of cash. I can scratch Zajac of this list as he falls into that category but would cost something.
                    Bryzgalovs_bears a aimé ceci.
                     
                    Répondre
                    To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
                    Question:
                    Options:
                    Ajouter une option
                    Soumettre le sondage