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Forum: NHLil y a 6 heures
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>Matthews is the lead dog...

The point of having 4 stars over 3 lines is to have a pick your poison type scenario... The only downside is they've never had all 3 stars healthy to run that strategy

This is also Woll's net until Game 6</div></div>

Matthews is visibly “bad” not because he’s a bad player right now, he just obviously hurt/ somethings wrong.

Part of “out coaching” the other team involves identifying who’s hot. Just like Tampa when they won their cups, they’d never just play Stamkos or Kucherovs or Points lines because they’re the best players. They often would give their Third Line massive assignments because they were playing so well.

This doesn’t mean Matthews isn’t the LEAD dog. But he’s not THE Matthews you need him to be. Putting Matthews back on Line 1 / breaking up Mitch’s line would mean you as a coach believe Matthews is the top dog right now. And he’s arguably not close to being your top dog.

It’s not a slight to him, it just means riding who’s hot.

Right now Mitch has responded well to the massive criticisms, and spotlight. And he helped ensure game 6 is a reality.

Let him being your top dog right now, cause that’s partially why you pay him so much.

Just like Keefe starting Woll too late imo, if he breakups Mitch right now, he’s making another poor decision in my eyes.
Forum: NHLil y a 7 heures
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>1-8 in their last 9 home games

Have to figure it out... PP is obviously another factor

And Matthews has to come back

Lets see</div></div>

Issue is if Matthews comes back for Game 6 - Sheldon will change the lines, and I’d argue:

Bertuzzi - Domi - Marner
Cannot be broken up after last game.

Generated a lot of offence and good both ways: and Domi was phenomenal in the dot (which again I’ll always say it, faceoffs matter no matter what anyone else says).

And it’s hard to move Knies and Tavares apart after they both made smart plays for the game winner (Knies drives the net off a line change perfectly and Tavares doesn’t care about his own foot speed, he made the best play available to him).

I saw some Leafs Twitter discuss

Bert - Domi - Marner
Knies - Matthews - Nylander
Robertson - Tavares - Whomever
4th Line
Scratch Reaves

But I’d personally say I liked Holmbergs game and I’d run this to allow Matthews to not have to work as hard/ kill himself:

Bert - Domi - Marner
Knies - Tavares - Nylander
Robertson - Holmberg - Matthews
4th Line

Scratch Reaves

This way Matthews gets unique matchups but idk “playing him against” Geekies line will be good with the hard hitting.
Forum: NHLHier à 20 h 31
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>All pending UFA's and all cost less than what EK would have got. Plus younger

Again you keep trying to justify it but its just invalid

Trading for a 34 year old making 10m even with ret would have been an awful move for TOR end of story bye</div></div>
Man I love seeing you just ignore 90% of whay I say then continuing like you’ve made unreal points that are inarguable.

Lmfao. Look at your current team bro. That’s the end of the story because unless the gods got a miracle here the cores over and the story’s done this year.

Cant wait for Brad to keep cooking. If Montour has a good playoffs he will cost 7.5 + for a Canadian team and that further feeds my point of the gamble being just as massive as Karlsson in your eyes.
Forum: NHLHier à 20 h 25
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Look at Dubas first year in Pitt man basically wasted an amazing Crosby season

Again you keep missing it Karlsson is soon gonna be 34 and is with ret making 10m and would cost TOR assets to get. You go oh Montour or Skjei make 6-7 who cares thats still cheaper than EK and they younger and cost 0 assets to get


Save the assets and go get the free agents who play a similar role, are younger, will be cheaper, and wont cost us any assets


Montour at 5.75-7m is still better than going and wasting assets on EK who will be 37 when that deal's done.


Staying clear was the wise move</div></div>

Yeah bro the Leafs look like a great team with really amazing decisions and wise moves?

Ilya, Edmundson, Bertuzzi, Kampf, Reavo, Klingberg

Dubas didn’t make a team underperform, then when he begins to sell they over perform. They played themselves out of the playoffs firstly, then played themselves out of Buium or Iginla.

Again… like your choice of Montour and Skeji = throwing away this season, because they’re currently signed. You also act like acquiring Karlsson for a first + prospect to get him at 8-9m aav (since at 10m he cost just basically a first) is super expensive. Sure whatever I disagree we often overvalue picks and prospects as fans.

Let’s follow your choice though.
If you acquire either at TDL then extend - that would cost the same as Karlsson. The Leafs would presumably be a better team with Karlsson or Montour so this should be a later first.

So your either getting Karlsson for a 1st + for a FULL year at 33
Or Montour for half a season plus a 6y, 6.5m extension for the same price at 30… with statistically and historically worse production.

Which again; you’re assuming Montour/ Skeji will continue to put up 40+ points at 6.5m x 6 years

How is that not the same as me saying Karlsson could put up 70+ with Toronto?

I’m stating : the Leafs + Karlsson would be a far better team THIS year.
You’re stating the Leafs will be a far better team NEXT year and still suck this year by not acquiring…

Idk maybe I’m crazy for believing in Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Rielly, + Karlsson. Maybe I shouldn’t believe in this core like it seems many Leafs fans don’t anymore.

Maybe being aggressive, wild, and bold like Vegas actually is just a bad move and sucks.
Forum: NHLHier à 20 h 1
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Again your missing the point so wont bother

In the end it = waste of assets and factoring Karlsson's age and history best to stay clear

Smart move to stay clear by management</div></div>

You’re missing the point though. I’m arguing your point and you repeat yourself / move on or ignore statements.

Your assumption / choice :

Trelivings team is a good choice by management ( aka move on from Dubas who wanted to continue being aggressive )

Go after UFA gambles on RD ( yeah the UFA history of successful big signings is shiney clean )

My point :

Dubas ain’t that bad

- Karlsson having a bad year is still better than Skeji’s entire career and Montours almost entirely
- Montour is a regular 30 point guy who boomed last year and returned back in line
- You criticize Karlsson as a massive gamble yet signing Montour and Skeji are going to each be 4-6 year MINIMUM deals at a minimum AAV of 5.5; I would bet Montour and Skeji are both USA players currently (one in the sunshine state) won’t sign in Toronto for less than 6-7.5m
- Karlsson at 8-10m QB vs two UFA gambles at 6-7.5m (for TERM)
- UFA LONG TERM SIGNINGS ALWAYS GOING SWIMMINGLY
{he says sarcastically}
- additionally these signings would take place THIS year, not at the start of the Season like Karlsson. Which means you’re accepting this year is a throwaway and waiting to fix an issue this offseason.


Your point is that of bias and blind criticism of Karlsson and praise of the other two signings yet you fail to actually provide any evidence other than subjective opinion and I just state saying:

Karlsson is a bad choice for the Leafs and smart avoidance
=
The same thing as signing Montour and Skeji to 6 year high AAV deals

If you can’t see how signing both those guys to long term, high AAV deals isn’t the same thing as just betting on your core + adding Karlsson: then that is missing the point.

I find my arguments quite fair.
Forum: NHLHier à 19 h 51
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>EK got 100 points with the SJS who had no cares in the world but to try and get him to do it and it was a one time wonder lets look at him in Pitt

82 gp 11 goals 45 assists 56 points

Montour

66 gp 8 goals 25 assists 33 points.

16 less games played and only a 23 point differential. If he played the entire season probs gets 50-60 points

Again for a 33 year soon 34 year old making double digits best to stay clear keep the assets and go get similar guys for less money. As when the downfall happens that Anchor will sink the ship. Montour at 5.5m in Toronto would probs avg 50-60 points and be fine best of all cost us 0 assets to get and be more manageable. Thats the smarter move</div></div>
That’s an assumption that he would have put up more.

Under your assumption of Montour being a regular 50-60 player in TOR ;

We could then compare and assume Karlsson could be a regular 60-90p player if we don’t even consider his 100 point season (which he literally was playing hockey by himself in SJ).
Forum: NHLHier à 19 h 36
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In the end as I keep telling yah would just be a waste of assets. A 1st for a soon 34 year old making double digits is a no thanks

If we want more offense from the blue line just go sign someone in FA Montour and Skjei would be more than fine and cost us no assets to go get.

Thats the better solution rn</div></div>

You also refer to Montour (33 points this year?)
And he’s 30?
Skeji is what 31? (I believe like 45 points this year, a career high!!!!).

So your picking worse players, one’s having a career year, who are nearly the same age as Karlsson, both going to cost 5-7.5m.

Karlsson currently at 10m (where the Sharks took back a cap dump in Hoffman, and the Pens ALSO dumped Petry).

He could been 8-9 for the Leafs likely costing a prospect on top of the leaf’s potential late first.

Montour and Skeji are easily bigger gambles than Karlsson who had a a slow year and struggled to fit in with the Pens, and still put up nearly 60p.

I find it fascinating Leafs fans are so fine with the continued flop instead of actually taking a chance.
Forum: NHLlun. à 19 h 28
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Karlsson is 33 soon 34 years old and was making 11.5m

Yes last year he had 100 points but look at how he did in Pitt heck they missed the playoffs

And have you not watched playoff Rielly. Sure this year's been quiet but TBL can tell yah when he was going he was going and heck in game 6 vs. FLA tried to put TOR on his back to win. To bad NHL dont got modern tech for tracking pucks

PP with him last year was at 25%. This year with a new PP coach its dropped as Boucher's system sucks. Karlsson being there dont change much lul. Look at Pitts PP under him 15.3%

In the end Karlsson was the last thing we needed. If we need a guy to generate offense we can go sign Montour or Skeji this summer

Would have just been a waste of assets</div></div>

Karlsson cost a single first. He wasn’t expensive at all. Especially since the Leafs should be a contender that first could/ would be 18-32.

And you keep bringing up quite literally irrelevant PP statline from a regular season, and again Karlsson ain’t the reason the Pens missed.

You can say “Pit” this “Pit” that, the conversation isn’t about PIT.

It’s about how bad the Leafs backend is, and more notably about how bad they are at generating offence when Matthews isn’t going.

And if you actually read my post; I didn’t slight Rielly, I called him a Number 1.
Forum: NHLlun. à 19 h 19
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Karlsson would have been the biggest mistake in history lets have 5 double digits oh boy....

Pitts PP finished 15.3% with him on it and they had Crosby, Malkin, etc.

Leafs dont need a QB they need a new ****ing PP coach lul

Boucher has them running at 7% these playoffs.

Should have just gave Spencer Carbery the biggest assistant coach paycheck in NHL history to stay as the PP coach his system worked</div></div>

Pretty sure the Leafs have the lowest generated offence from the D in the entire playoffs. If I recall the statline correctly I read it was like what a 0.44 points per game or something or 5v5 offence.

Yknow what happens when you have offence from the backend?

Less pressure on the forwards.

Every cup winner has a QB, you cannot argue that.

Makar, Pietrangelo x 2, Theodore if you want too, Montour carried the (if we wanna include them) Panthers backend last year (if it ain’t Ekblad), Sergachev/ Hedman. The list goes on and on.
Heiskanen, Hughes on other contenders, Slavin and Burns (QB), and so on.

Rielly isn’t necessarily a QB, he’s a player I’d want on my team no doubt. But you watch the Leafs play and tell me you enjoy watching that backend move the puck?

It’s embarrassing. It has nothing to do with the PIT powerplay either lmfao. That statline is quite literally irrelevant.

ALL the Leafs shots that aren’t from Rielly on the backend are muffins and missing the net.



So Rielly is the only actual D man on their backend but he’s also responsible for hard match ups so he can’t play like a true OFD QB. Which is why, like COL, VAN, STL, CAR, TBL and so, you see teams run a “QB” and then another top pair.

I’m sorry but you cannot sit here and get me to believe dumping Brodie (like PIT did with Petry; not signing Reavo and Kampf and replacing them with Karlsson would have been worse than what you watching.

Even more so this rings true with how pedestrian the Leafs offence looks when Matthews is playing poorly, which we’re seeing right now in this series.

If Matthews isn’t going - the Leafs have looked like Washington almost lol.

Just look at EDM.

They have Ekholm (Rielly), and Bouchard (who would be Karlsson). And we’ve seen how pivotal it’s been for EDM to have a QB and then also a Number 1.

Karlsson would have been the Leafs QB and Rielly would have been their number one, and arguably play better because he wouldn’t have to be the only guy in the backend who knows how to play the puck.
Forum: NHLmer. à 20 h 44
Sujet: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>zk97</b></div><div>Question for forum users.
With the current order, what do you see your top-10 being for the upcoming draft (using the current order)?

Template:

San Jose Sharks:
Chicago Blackhawks:
Anaheim Ducks:
Columbus Blue Jackets:
Montreal Canadiens:
Arizona Coyotes:
Ottawa Senators:
Seattle Kraken:
Calgary Flames:
New Jersey Devils:


My mock:

San Jose Sharks: Macklin Celebrini
Chicago Blackhawks: Ivan Demidov
Anaheim Ducks: Artyom Levshunov
Columbus Blue Jackets: Cayden Lindstrom
Montreal Canadiens: Zayne Parekh
Arizona Coyotes: Anton Silayev
Ottawa Senators: Carter Yakemchuk
Seattle Kraken: Sam Dickinson
Calgary Flames: Tij Iginla
New Jersey Devils: Berkly Catton</div></div>

I pray Tij falls to SJS second 1st round pick (that behind Celebrini obviously )
Forum: Armchair-GM24 avr. à 15 h 48
Sujet: Ryan Warsofsky - Celebrini - Stamkos
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoSeider53</b></div><div>:laugh Stamkos isn't a 1C anymore, And $7,000,000 in Florida is worth more than $10,000,000 in high tax California. No freaking way is Stamkos playing on the West Coast on the worst team in the NHL.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Seiched</b></div><div>ummmm no, please look at tax rates before you make uneducated statements</div></div>

lol yeah I didn’t care to check till you said this but according to Forbes taxes calculator 10m cal vs 7m Florida =
5.047 California to 4.4m Florida

That would mean 2 years in San Jose at 10m would be equivalent to 3 years in Florida at the suggestion. Still a hard sell for SJS but most people also accept that these millionaire athletes who are smart hire professionals to help get the most back from their taxes so it could be possibly be improved in either state.