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Forum: Armchair-GM7 déc. 2021 à 15 h 15

Sujet: TDL 2021 As per Stauffer

Jets fans are saying Appleton for a late round pick back to Winnipeg. I think you are overvaluing Appleton, he hasn't been good in SEA.

Forum: Armchair-GM3 déc. 2021 à 19 h 25

Sujet: Accept the Facts

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>EDM fans need to understand they have 2 back up goalie and they would be way better with a starter</div></div>
Edmonton has 3 starters. Montreal is the team without a starter.

Forum: Armchair-GM3 déc. 2021 à 14 h 14

Sujet: Best Way to Tank

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>uphere</b></div><div>I think the general consensus among Oiler fans is that the 1st round pick is most likely tradable if it brings a good player with some term, and that is why many balk at the idea of giving up that asset for Ben Chiarot. Other Oiler fans suggest Chiarot is simply not worth that price.

It seems to me the return for Chiarot will be determined by the trade market. As I see it, that means Chiarot's value will be determined by the availability and asking price for other players. If Montreal has already set the price at a 1st round pick there really is no room for the price to increase so it serves other GMs well to sit back and wait to see who else comes available before the TDL.</div></div>

Everything you are saying is true. What I have been reading though is that chiarots market is picking up and he will be going before the trade deadline but after Christmas which could change everything. Insiders seem to think a 1st will happen but realistically Montreal is taking whatever the best return is.

So either Chiarot will kind of set the market for rental defencemen if he goes early in the new year or if he goes closer to deadline the market will already be set.

Also, not sure if Montreal has set the price at a 1st or if that is strictly like Elliot friedman and Pierre Lebrun speculating. With management changes I am sure Gorton hasn’t really got far with any talks

Forum: Armchair-GM2 déc. 2021 à 13 h 49

Sujet: 3 year rebuild

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MTLaveragefan</b></div><div>It a first round pick - which would be the asking price - Lucic for two years.... when you have a lot of player to resign.

I would normally take Monahan... but we are rebuilding and he would hurt our chances to tank.</div></div>

Flames arent paying a 1st to move Lucic lol. Let alone a top 50 prospect

Forum: Armchair-GM2 déc. 2021 à 12 h 53

Sujet: 3 year rebuild

Oilers are not giving two 2nd round picks for Chiarot.

Forum: Armchair-GM1 déc. 2021 à 12 h 19

Sujet: Price Trade

This is the best offer edmonton can give montreal for price and even then its not good for either team.

Price just isn't a good fit for edmonton whatsoever regarding our cap situation.

No deal will be a good deal for both teams

Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2021 à 16 h 23

Sujet: 1-2 punch

That’s a huge overpay for varlamov. The reigning Vezina winner fleury most likely won’t even get a 1st at the deadline this year so why would varly get more. Take the 1st out and it’s a deal Edmonton would consider

Forum: Fauteuil - DG29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 21

Sujet: Jour 1

I really don’t see any of that happening. EDM will probably pay a 2nd for him but they rest is very unrealistic. NYR can’t take Gallagher, Kap > toffoli for PIT. I can’t remember the term of Hoffman but if it’s more than this season it’s not going to happen

Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2021 à 14 h 15

Sujet: Gortons Liquidation Sale

oilers pass easily i dont see them even givng up a first for him let alone a 1st +

Forum: Fauteuil - DG29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 31

Sujet: Jeff Gorton cleaning session

I don't see the incentive for anyone other than Montreal to make any of these trades...

Forum: Fauteuil - DG29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 25

Sujet: Jeff Gorton cleaning session

Alberta says hell no.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 22

Sujet: Jeff Gorton cleaning session

Not a chance you’re getting the oilers 2nd best prospect for a rental. Just not happening

Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 8

Sujet: Forecasting

The Oilers don't need depth LHD (they have tons of them!) and Turris can be buried for next to nothing.

If I'm reading your comments correctly, removing those guys makes the trade:

Koskinen
2nd
3rd

- for -

Fleury (50% retained)
3rd

This makes more sense from a value perspective, but what does Edmonton gain from it? A more experienced backup and $1M in cap space at the cost of a 2nd. That might be worth it for them if they can use that $1M for an upgrade elsewhere.

Forum: Armchair-GM24 nov. 2021 à 16 h 17

Sujet: Next season

There's no such thing as a competent bottom 6 centre in Edmonton. If I had a dollar for every solution for our 3C problem that went sideways I might be able to afford a beer at Rogers.

Forum: Armchair-GM24 nov. 2021 à 11 h 22

Sujet: what I hope a Chiarot to EDM trade looks like

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Desperate times call for desperate measures. I would think that a Chiarot trade mirrors the Savard trade last year. Similar players (Chiarot is better though) similar situations (both impending UFA's), logic dictates a similar return (1st + 2nd or 3rd). If you don't want to give up your 1st this year I am pretty sure Montreal would accept Bourgault + 2nd or 3rd instead.</div></div>

Depending on extent of the injury on Keith. Edmonton has maybe 1 or 2 other LD they can call up from the minors.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 nov. 2021 à 17 h 47

Sujet: Adding More Top 6 Firepower

I think we'd rather add a bottom 6 player or a 3LD if anything. And I think the organization isn't likely to move Broberg

Forum: Armchair-GM22 nov. 2021 à 17 h 44

Sujet: Adding More Top 6 Firepower

Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of having Miller added to the top 6. That said, it's still obvious that the downfall of the Oilers is the bottom 6 and overall team defense. Holloway should be a free "addition" to the bottom 6 once healthy. I'm sure they'll add another forward as well. I could see them spending more on 3LD to upgrade on Koekkoek/Russell and make take some minutes off of Keith/Nurse. Can't do much on RHD without moving Barrie out.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 nov. 2021 à 14 h 4

Sujet: Re-tooling Keeping Core 4

Hard to know what'll happen 2 years from now but I have a hard time seeing Edmonton making that trade. Nurse is their #1 LHD and Broberg should be established as #2 by then. Why spend a 1st on a 34-year-old rental to play on the 3rd pairing?

Forum: Armchair-GM22 nov. 2021 à 14 h 2

Sujet: Re-tooling Keeping Core 4

Oilers will not need Muzzin by then. We have Niemeläinen, Samorukov and Broberg

Forum: Armchair-GM19 nov. 2021 à 16 h 9

Sujet: Burn it to the ground

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>uphere</b></div><div>Its difficult to imagine the Oilers paying a 1st round pick for Chiarot. He may be worth the price, but Holland does not give up those kinds of assets unless he has term and control over the player he is getting in return. Extending Chiarot's contract doesn't look feasible, given that salary structure and limited cap space Edmonton has next year.</div></div>

Just checked out Chiarot's "rels", which compare him to his teammates.

CF% rel - negative every single year of his career
SF% rel - negative 6 of the last 7 seasons
GF% rel - negative last 3 seasons and 6 of 8
xGF% rel - negative 6 of last 7
SCF% rel - negative 7 of 8
HDCF% rel - negative 6 of 7

These are not good numbers, in fact they are quite bad. Worse, they're largely caused by poor defensive metrics - he allows more shots against than average of his teammates, he allows more goals against, more scoring chances and more high danger corsi. It isn't due to zone starts either, he generally gets about 50% offensive zone starts.

He had one good playoff run where the refs allowed him to hack and whack opponents at will, and Habs fans think he's suddenly a 1st pairing defenseman who is worth a whole ton. Genuinely he's a replacement level guy and has been his entire career.

<a href="http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279</a>

Actually, the results from the past 2 playoff runs are worse than his regular season results: <a href="http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=3&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://naturalstattrick.com/playerreport.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=3&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279.php?fromseason=20212022&thruseason=20212022&stype=2&sit=5v5&stdoi=oi&rate=r&v=p&playerid=8475279</a>

Forum: Armchair-GM19 nov. 2021 à 12 h 28

Sujet: Price Toffoli Petry Chiarot Hoffman Kulak Armia out

Unless I'm reading this completely wrong, I feel like you're misunderstanding how LTIR works in that Edmonton trade.

Rough math here, but...

Current: Edmonton 22/23 cap obligations: $76.21 mil ($6.29 mil in space, with 8 players to sign, including Yam, Poolparty, goaltender)
Your version for 22/23 cap obligations: Remove Kassian=73.01, add Price at $9 mil=$82.01. That's with 7 forwards signed, 6 dmen, and 2 goalies. Taking on Weber to LTIR doesn't magically raise the cap, it just means that he doesn't count against it.

Also, Montreal "Taking on money" is a big 'ol stretch. The Habs are taking on about $6-7 mil in salary obligations, and shipping out $35 ish mil.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 nov. 2021 à 12 h 5

Sujet: Quoi faire avec Montreal

Smith and Holloway are both off the table.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 nov. 2021 à 10 h 44

Sujet: Burn it to the ground

edmonton wont trade derek ryan

Forum: Armchair-GM18 nov. 2021 à 15 h 35

Sujet: Montreal D and G

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>math731</b></div><div>That's not enough for Petry alone. Petry would cost a first and a great prospect. Adding Allen means that prospect turns into a solid prospect (Holloway). Petry, Allen for Holloway, a first and a second is closer to reality and even then, I cant see MB trading his best dmen</div></div>

I'm a Habs fan and he's making 6.25 until he's like 38. He's not worth anything near that much,

Forum: Armchair-GM18 nov. 2021 à 15 h 53

Sujet: Montreal D and G

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>math731</b></div><div>That's not enough for Petry alone. Petry would cost a first and a great prospect. Adding Allen means that prospect turns into a solid prospect (Holloway). Petry, Allen for Holloway, a first and a second is closer to reality and even then, I cant see MB trading his best dmen</div></div>

Petry making 6.25 until he's nearly 40 is not worth anything close to what you have suggested. If this were on the table Bergevin would have to take it.

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