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Équipe: 2021-22 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 29 nov. 2021
Publié: 29 nov. 2021
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 12
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Colorado doesn't do that. Maybe they'd offer you something for Edmundson but no interest in Gallagher
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 15
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True, but I would give you Edmunson only if you take Gallagher... I guess I can remove Jost from the trade but yeah, the purpose of the move for montreal is to move 6,5M
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 22
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Not a chance you’re getting the oilers 2nd best prospect for a rental. Just not happening
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 25
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Alberta says hell no.
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 25
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Flames would be interested in Toffoli but not Hoffman IMO
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 31
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I don't see the incentive for anyone other than Montreal to make any of these trades...
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 41
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Quoting: DeadWingsv2
I don't see the incentive for anyone other than Montreal to make any of these trades...


You don't see the incentive of Edmonton to win a Stanley Cup, The incentive of Calgary to have a goal scorer instead of Monahan on the 3rd line and the incentive of VGK to have a PP Dman in bank for the playoff?

Maybe I am not the blind one
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 41
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Flames would be interested in Toffoli but not Hoffman IMO


Would make sense I agree
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 42
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You don't see the incentive of Edmonton to win a Stanley Cup, The incentive of Calgary to have a goal scorer instead of Monahan on the 3rd line and the incentive of VGK to have a PP Dman in bank for the playoff?

Maybe I am not the blind one

hahahaha... ok....
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 43
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No team should say yes outside of Tampa

Maybe VGK and STL if the picks are 5th and 6th instead
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 44
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Quoting: Bringer_Of_Snow
Not a chance you’re getting the oilers 2nd best prospect for a rental. Just not happening


True, Edmonton would rather lose nothing and make no move at the TDL and just lose in 1st round again!!! Thanks for your constructive comment
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 46
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No team should say yes outside of Tampa

Maybe VGK and STL if the picks are 5th and 6th instead


True
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 47
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Quoting: Korax
You don't see the incentive of Edmonton to win a Stanley Cup, The incentive of Calgary to have a goal scorer instead of Monahan on the 3rd line and the incentive of VGK to have a PP Dman in bank for the playoff?

Maybe I am not the blind one


The Oilers will not be giving Montreal Bourgault and a 2nd round pick for Chiarot and Lehkonen. Those two guys are part of a roster that has managed a 6-15 record; they don't look like players that are going to win anybody a Stanley Cup.
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 50
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that oilers trade is brutal
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 54
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Quoting: Korax
True, Edmonton would rather lose nothing and make no move at the TDL and just lose in 1st round again!!! Thanks for your constructive comment


Lol based on the reply anyone who doesn’t agree with you just upsets you haha. Really rational response to a fan base not wanting to move a top prospect for a rental. Most Oilers fans don’t want to move top prospects or picks for rentals. Our GM said that himself. I’m all for moving prospects and picks at this point, but it’s got to be for guys who can contribute for years to come.

Does it make sense for team that hasn’t made it past the 1st round in the last 4 years to dump assets for a one year run? No. Once the core shows they can get deep, then you make moves like Tampa did with Goodrow and Coleman (cheap, impact players with term). I’d rather follow the Bolts approach than the Leafs approach (moving 1st round picks for mediocre rentals despite not winning a playoff round in the past decade)
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 55
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The Oilers will not be giving Montreal Bourgault and a 2nd round pick for Chiarot and Lehkonen. Those two guys are part of a roster that has managed a 6-15 record; they don't look like players that are going to win anybody a Stanley Cup.


Ouf how to respond to that without being condescendant ...

1) Lekhonen is a RFA so you have him for not just a year (value up)
2) Lekhonen is one of the best PK in the league for low budget, what edmonton need to be the best in every aspects
3) Chiarot is clearly a Playoff guy, did you watch last year playoffs at all?
4) Maybe Chiarot is rental, but how often do you see rentals have a high value at TDL? Pretty sure it's the price to pay to have key NHL players for the playoff
5) Bourgault is a potential, but he does not hep the team this year, think in Stanley Cup potentiel for a second instead of future, edmonton future is now
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 57
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Sending unwanted long term cap to any team....just doesn't work.
Even Gorton would realize that Avs wouldn't want that long term cap, and Johnson isn't waiving for Montreal.
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29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 58
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Quoting: Bringer_Of_Snow
Lol based on the reply anyone who doesn’t agree with you just upsets you haha. Really rational response to a fan base not wanting to move a top prospect for a rental. Most Oilers fans don’t want to move top prospects or picks for rentals. Our GM said that himself. I’m all for moving prospects and picks at this point, but it’s got to be for guys who can contribute for years to come.

Does it make sense for team that hasn’t made it past the 1st round in the last 4 years to dump assets for a one year run? No. Once the core shows they can get deep, then you make moves like Tampa did with Goodrow and Coleman (cheap, impact players with term). I’d rather follow the Bolts approach than the Leafs approach (moving 1st round picks for mediocre rentals despite not winning a playoff round in the past decade)


You think I bash every one who does not agree with me? no.

I am upset by the fact that you don't even consider this trade.
Did tampa change the playoff loosing sequence by waiting for draft picks or do they acquire Goodrow and Coleman?
29 nov. 2021 à 12 h 59
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Quoting: palhal
Sending unwanted long term cap to any team....just doesn't work.
Even Gorton would realize that Avs wouldn't want that long term cap, and Johnson isn't waiving for Montreal.


Gorton traded Miller and McDonagh, this kind of trades exists, it's just always criticize when proposed to fans
29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 18
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A MTL ACGM, that thinks Sakic is willing to be screwed why? Such a hard pass.
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29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 20
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A MTL ACGM, that thinks Sakic is willing going to be screwed why? Such a hard pass.


Anywhere I would have proposed Gallagher, fans would have told me the same thing so... okay
29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 25
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True, but I would give you Edmunson only if you take Gallagher... I guess I can remove Jost from the trade but yeah, the purpose of the move for montreal is to move 6,5M

Why in the world would COL take a long term 6.5M contract knowing that in the next 2 off seasons they have to re-sign MacK, Byram, Newhook, Kuemper, Burakovsky, Nichushkin and make a decision on Kadri. The Avs have zero ZERO interest in Gallagher because of his contract. Avs literally laugh at this trade. I don’t get why it is so hard to propose trades that make sense for both teams, this literally helps the Avs zero but makes their cap situation worse and parts with their top d prospect to? Not good.
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29 nov. 2021 à 13 h 38
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Quoting: Korax
You think I bash every one who does not agree with me? no.

I am upset by the fact that you don't even consider this trade.
Did tampa change the playoff loosing sequence by waiting for draft picks or do they acquire Goodrow and Coleman?


That’s the point I’m making. They moved valuable assets for guys with term. That’s how they were able to piece championships together. Chariot does not fall under that category.
29 nov. 2021 à 15 h 16
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Ouf how to respond to that without being condescendant ...

1) Lekhonen is a RFA so you have him for not just a year (value up)
2) Lekhonen is one of the best PK in the league for low budget, what edmonton need to be the best in every aspects
3) Chiarot is clearly a Playoff guy, did you watch last year playoffs at all?
4) Maybe Chiarot is rental, but how often do you see rentals have a high value at TDL? Pretty sure it's the price to pay to have key NHL players for the playoff
5) Bourgault is a potential, but he does not hep the team this year, think in Stanley Cup potentiel for a second instead of future, edmonton future is now


The Oilers already have outstanding special teams, they don't need Lehkonen for their penalty kill. His RFA status means very little given the Oilers are locked in for a few seasons with 6 veteran forwards, have 3 very good RFAs of their own, have a bottom 6 right-handed C for next season, and at least one prospect who will be in the NHL next year. Add the limited cap space available and it should be obvious the Lehkonen is not a fit for the Oilers.

Edmonton doesn't have to, and shouldn't, overpay Montreal because Chiarot is a RD who had a good playoff run last spring and who has an expiring contract. With his team in 5th place overall and leading the Western Conference, Ken Holland should feel that he can take his time and work from a position of strength. There are soon to alternatives to Chiarot available, and they should be just as effective and probably cost less.

I do feel bad for Habs fans, but the reality is that your team is at a disadvantage and you will not like the acquisition cost of a prospect like Borgault, especially if you want a draft pick as well.
30 nov. 2021 à 4 h 58
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EJ won't waive his NTC for MTL, Avs wouldn't make the trade anyway due to cap issues long term that it brings. Avs also don't really need the more attractive part of the trade in Edmundson with an already pretty stacked D. Only team the trade benefits is MTL.
 
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