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Forum: Armchair-GM2 mars à 22 h 55
Sujet: dreaming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>No</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>Sabres decline imo
Maybe for Mittelstadt? But even that is a “maybe”</div></div> Here is the deal <a href="/users/suora" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@suora</a>, Cirelli is a nice third line center but he is over paid by at least $1,000,000 if not $2,000,000.
Prebix could be a large, solid second pairing RHD but he does not throw his weight as one would expect for his size.
Since he is signed only through next season he could leave leaving Buffalo with an over paid third line center.

Cozens shooting % is nearly half of last year (dhe did have 3 goals on three shots tonight) and Quinn has been dealing with injuries all season.
He is not earning his $7,000,000 this year, but let me predict that he will rebound and his salary will appear to be a bargain.
Cerelli on the other hand would need to nearly double his goal output to justify his salary regardless of how well he plays defense and HIS salary will be a mill stone for Tampa.
This is an easy no for Buffalo.

Please try to dig deep and uncover more information and convince me otherwise as on the surface this is not a good move for Buffalo.
Just keep dreaming until then.
Forum: Fauteuil - DG2 mars à 10 h 34
Sujet: Brady Tkachuk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>I like Ottawa's chances next season as well, Buffalo still need better goaltending, I think Tampa is gonna fall hard but who knows they still have some great players...</div></div> Love reading your comments as you tend to be knowledgeable and even handed.
You support your POV with easily verifiable facts and not opinions.
Montreal and Buffalo could be scary good next year and beyond.
Good trades and drafting.
Both teams have solid young defensemen and forwards in the line up and in the prospect stream.
Your GM's (Bergevin and Hughes) are more willing to take risks trading for Suzuki, Newhook, Matheson all great deals and even Monahan (Anderson and Dvorak deals not so much almost forgot the Subban for Weber blockbuster), while Adams refuses to move any picks or prospects to fill obvious holes only making the obvious rebuilding moves trading away Reinhart, Ristolainen, Hall and Eichel.

As I watch the Sabres, and if you ever read my posts from last year, I could see the problem with Luukkonen was the defensemen not clearing rebounds nor the front of the net.
Clearing rebounds had improved but too often his vision is still blocked or the pucks are being tipped by his own players.
Since the first of the year he has the lowest GAA 1.84 and highest SV% 0.934 among all NHL GK who have played at least 10 games.
So save to say, he and Levi will be the net protectors in the future.

What is wrong with the Sabres?
Erik Johnson is a pylon, I cannot remember every game but his turnovers and poor play led to three goals in the last Ducks game which the Sabres lost 4-3.
This week he tipped a puck scoring another goal for Florida a game which the Sabres lost 3-2.
Since the first of the year his xGA 5v5 is 3.41/60, next worse Connor Clifton at 2.81 second worse among Sabre defensemen.
He has not provided the leadership that was expected and is over paid by at least $2,000,000.

The PP has not provided the scoring edge as it did last season (but they did get 2 goals to knock out Tampa so that is good).
Anyone even with an untrained eye can see that Thompson has not recovered from his wrist injury which in turn has impacted both Skinner and Tuch.
Quinn injuries obviously have impacted the scoring as he is replaced by Erik Robinson instead of Victor Olofsson (do not understand why he is not getting more ice time he has only played 5 games since the first of the year).
Cannot figure out Power as his shooting % is down from 14.7 to 8.2 this year but he is still creating scoring chances.

Well that is my take, Go Habs Go ... Let's Go Sabres!

EDIT: wow that was longer than I thought it would be.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 mars à 18 h 17
Sujet: Fresh start
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Number 6 is Bad</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>John Carlsson wasn't worth that when he was good
I think that you're a little sketchy on Cirelli and Cozens but I certainly see your point.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>What do we have to do to swap perbix and cernak? We are already moving cozens and mittelstadt here.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>NOPE
HARD PASS from Buffalo
We aren’t looking for a 34 year old defenseman...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>suora</b></div><div>Would you do it if there was Rosen instead of Benson</div></div> Do not see many Krakens on this site.
Hate to see Cozens go to Tampa as Buffalo will play them four times this year, but Cirelli is an excellent target.
You did a great job up to #6, and rattled a lot of Sabres with that Carlson trade.
Your Adam Larsson would be a much better target for Buffalo.
What do you think it would take from Buffalo?
Forum: Armchair-GM1 mars à 13 h 56
Sujet: Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OrganizedConfusion55</b></div><div>Lmfao that sabres trade.</div></div> <a href="/users/Crapbag" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Crapbag</a>
<strong>This is a horrible trade for Buffalo.
See below.</strong>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AStovetop</b></div><div>Sharks aren't retaining 6 years and $24+ mil on Hertl. And if they did that would be a terrible return considering Buffalo would get a #1 Center at 4 mil a year. That would literally be the best value contact in the league. Also he's out long term so so one would be picking him up this deadline...</div></div> <a href="/users/AStovetop" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@AStovetop</a> really, you think that is bad deal for the Sharks!?
Jokiharju is by far Buffalo's top RHD, the Hockey writers ranked Rosén 47th and Savoie 21st among ALL drafted non NHL playing prospects and the 2026 1st round pick.
Let's check out the stats for the past two years of four players;
..........gms...goals......pts
A.......128......65.........129
B.......138......43.........104
C.......142......27.........104
D.......127......37..........97
While player "D" has the third most goals his pt total trails the other three.
No one would presume player "D" should be the top centre among the four, yet he is Hertl, the other three are Thompson, Cozens and Mittelstadt A. B, C respectively.
If offered the Sharks (or any last place team) would jump at this return to add two potential top 6 (if you wish mid 6) centers, a young still improving RHD and a first for a declining NHL player.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 févr. à 19 h 34
Sujet: Change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsradynasty</b></div><div>No TB isn't giving up it's best Rd for a guy who'd be a 3 LD or force Cooper to play Sergachev on the right side which Cooper hates doing. (Playing guys on their off hand) Easy pass.</div></div> That is a HUGE over pay, thank you for rejecting it!

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUF10</b></div><div>Carnak has struggled past couple years.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Samuelsson isn't Offensive Minded. When Healthy which he hasn't been all year, he's a good Defensive D that can play both sides in your Top 4</div></div> <a href="/users/Cpc114" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Cpc114</a>
What is this obsession that Sabres fans with Cernak.
He is a dirty right handed inferior version of Samaulsson.
Dirty, I guess all of the Sabre fans have short memories and forgot the vicious elbows he delivered to Dahlin and Okposo!
For these alone, I do not want him in the Sabre locker room.

Just a quick snap shot of Erik and Mattias:
:................. hits/60 blk/60 5v5 xGF/60 5v5 xGA/60 CF%
Erik............8.2........4.8.......2.37..............2.6..............48.9
Mattias......7.6........6.2......2.6.................2.48............51.8
Erik has a slight edge on hits/60 but he trails Mattias in all of the other important catagories.
Let me add, Erik's xGA/60 and CF% are worse or second worse among all TB defensemen and he is paid $1,000,000 per year than Mattias.

All things considered, I would not do Mattias for Erik, much less add Casey and an early second.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 févr. à 18 h 3
Sujet: MORE
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dougbrady214</b></div><div>I think you all are overestimating the amount of teams that will be willing to cough up a 1st for a rental. The trade deadline market is never as robust as everyone thinks it will be. Middelstedt I'll give you is probably a bit low given his RFA status. I imagine the Guentzel market for a year will not be what the public thinks it should be.</div></div> GM's sort of lose their mind at the TDL.
Last year 12 first round draft picks were traded, two have already moved and we still have a week to go.
Unlike my other Sabre ACGM's that trade is closer than they are indicating.
Forget about the Guenztel trade, that is not enough.
So offer the Sabres:
Lundkvist, Nils
Hakanpää, Jani
2024 1st round pick (DAL)
for
Mittelstadt, Casey
Forum: Armchair-GM28 févr. à 9 h 59
Sujet: Petey offseason deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CM_Insane</b></div><div>If he wants to go to Buffalo I'd think this gets a long thought process and probably only thing I could see be asked is a conditional pick in 25...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MarsBar</b></div><div>Add Casey Mittlestadt and drop the 2nd rounder...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mediumyeet</b></div><div>Dubois trade didn't involve a top 10 pick though.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>thewookie1</b></div><div>I don’t really have much interest in EP seeing as he want 12mil + so no thank you</div></div>
I mentioned in another post that the cost of living in Buffalo is about 20% lower than Vancouver.
That means $14,000,000 in Vancouver would only have the same spending power as less than $12,000,000 in Buffalo.
So Buffalo could just offer sheet him and give up what would be expected 4 late round picks.
Then trade one of Thompson, Cozens or Mittestadt to recover some of the draft capital.
As <a href="/users/CM_Insane" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@CM_Insane</a> correctly observed the 2025 2nd could be nearly a third.
Now that Buffalo has found a GK, Elias could revive the scoring and the four picks could all be very late and worth much less than the 2024 first and Cozens.
Forum: Armchair-GM28 févr. à 9 h 38
Sujet: win now
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingofRnR</b></div><div>Statistically Vladar deserves your hate, but I still have confidence in him 🥅 ...
🏒</div></div> You are describing Luukkonen until January of this year.
While I do not get to watch Vladar, Ukko-Pekka defense was terrible.
Could not clear rebounds or the front of the net and had many deflections (as one of the goals did last night) tipped in while he had anticipated the obvious pass.
I could see it but other Sabre fans could not.
But I agree with <a href="/users/AntiAnalytics" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@AntiAnalytics</a> this may be the time for the Flames to retool if not rebuild.
Trading all three D-men could result in quite a haul.
On the other hand the Flames are only 5 points out of a playoffs spot with a game in hand on Nashville.
Maybe they will be desperate buyers at the TDL and the Flames could have 5 first round picks this year.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 18 h 8
Sujet: Under the radar pick up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mediumyeet</b></div><div>No chance buffalo accepts that.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DangleCat</b></div><div>I feel like most fan (at least on this website) know how good JJP is.....idk how "under the rader" he is. I also doubt that late first is enough to get him.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div><strong>JJ the jet plane</strong> ain't going anywhere</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mediumyeet</b></div><div>No rush to move guys out and JJP has already proven himself to be a contributor at the NHL level. And when/if they do want to create some space with the logjam it doesn't mean they will trade guys for soft returns.</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUF10</b></div><div>No one because Adams doesn’t make any moves, but Jj obviously isn’t getting traded.</div></div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lsendel3</b></div><div>Not possibly the best one of all of them and not for a late first. Guys pacing upper 20s on goals and assists in their second year in the NHL are rarely moved, and would require an overpay. This ain’t it.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cdn_bacon</b></div><div>Who’s moving out then?</div></div> As stated by many above it will not be JJ the jet plane.
A late first is often the return for an aging UFA who often will have less value then JJ the jet plane.

Let me use a recently traded young star to illustrate how weak of an offer this is as Mr. Plane has a ELC for another year which greatly increases his value.
Two year ago Dach was traded for the 13th and 66th OA.
At the time of the trade Dach played in 152 games and scored 19 goals.
As I write this JJ the jet plane has played in 137 games and scored 31 goals.
While to even the untrained eye it should be obvious the Mr. Plane has significantly more value than Kirby, to at least equal the value that Chicago received for Kirby, it would take the Oilers 2024 first and second as well as their 2025 first.
Even if by some chance that was offered Buffalo would still say no.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 11 h 34
Sujet: Swedish Intervention
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>That first deal really favours Buffalo

Pettersson &gt;&gt; Tage
Willander ~= Benson
Savoie ~= Lekkerimaki
Hoglander &gt; Greenway
Aman &lt; Krebs

No reason for us to give up our top 2 prospects, especially a RHD that we drafted over Benson to be Hughes future partner, on top of Pettersson unless we’re getting a better player than him</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Prime_Jimbo</b></div><div>Petey's eyeing Niagara property per EF</div></div> IMO you nailed it <a href="/users/mv21227" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@mv21227</a>
If Buffalo was trading only for Pettersson Buffalo would need to give up Thompson, Savoie and 2024 first, with the understanding that he would sign here.
As a UFA, look to the Lindholm trade, a first and a good prospect.
While Benson is playing very well (his stats do not reveal how well he has played) and we will never know, but if both Willander and Benson were available last draft, Buffalo probably would have drafted the RHD.
There is absolutely no comparison, Buffalo wins this trade by a wide margine and they should give Elias what ever he wants.

BTW, you may not know this but the cost of living in Buffalo is significantly less than Vancouver.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Canada&amp;city1=Vancouver&amp;country2=United+States&amp;city2=Buffalo%2C+NY#:~:text=Cost%20of%20Living%20Comparison%20Between%20Vancouver%20and%20Buffalo%2C%20NY,you%20rent%20in%20both%20cities).
Indices Difference Info
Consumer Prices in Buffalo, NY are 2.8% lower than in Vancouver (without rent)
Consumer Prices Including Rent in Buffalo, NY are 12.0% lower than in Vancouver
Rent Prices in Buffalo, NY are 26.1% lower than in Vancouver (my comment: this also included cost of housing)
Restaurant Prices in Buffalo, NY are 9.8% lower than in Vancouver
Groceries Prices in Buffalo, NY are 6.3% lower than in Vancouver
<strong>Local Purchasing Power in Buffalo, NY is 27.8% higher than in Vancouver</strong>

As we were told when we were in Vancouver <strong>"BC"</strong> means BRING CASH.
$13,000,000 in Vancouver may be only $10,000,000 in Buffalo.
Forum: Armchair-GM24 févr. à 20 h 10
Sujet: Same div trade yuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>...And bottom line for me, is that i wouldn’t wanna bring in an unproven guy to take the place of a league Vet who knows how to play the position ...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Can understand that, I would hope if a move like this was made it was because the Sabres were going after a much Better Dman than Clifton.</div></div> Great conversation, excellent differing POV's.
A lot to unpack with your strong opinions.
While Timmins is only a third pairing defenseman currently he has played well.
He has played in 82 NHL games over 6 seasons with decent offensive output for a defenseman with 3 goals and 27 pts and +6.
With both Samuelson and Power out of the line up, Granato was <strong>forced</strong> to reunite Henri and Rasmus.
Over that time they have gelled and excelled playing 148 minutes allowing only 1 goal while 4 were scored when they were on the ice, with a 59.2 SF%, .
When Mattias and Owen return, let's pair them for the obvious reasons.
Ryan Johnson will never frighten any one entering the Buffalo zone, but he makes very smart plays (he has the team lowest xGA/60 5v5 at 2.40), pair him with a more offensive minded Timmins.
Conner would be replacing the Sabres worse zGA/60 5v5 2.88 with Timmins TML team third best 2.36.
BTW, Buffalo gets a third round pick as well.

Well that is my take:
24-10
25-23
33- Timmins
shoot holes in it if you wish.
Forum: Armchair-GM24 févr. à 17 h 56
Sujet: Same div trade yuck
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JAKE6</b></div><div>Gregor and Timmins sure. The 3rd is too much for a player who’s overpaid</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>I'll pick him up and drive him there tonight</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>Lol
Sabres aren’t gonna want Gregor OR Timmons though
Not gonna trade Clifton unless we actually get something back that we’d want
Traded gotta work BOTH WAYS guys</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div><strong>I would do this trade</strong>, Clifton is blah and this saves me 2.2mill to put somewhere else. Timmins and Clifton's #'s aren't that different to pay 2.2mill a year more.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pavalec</b></div></div> Gregor is the sort of player the fans in Buffalo ooh and aah over. Bang the boards making a lot of noise hitting, while forgetting to play defense.
He has very little value IMHO.

But, You had me at 6'2" 206lb RHD Timmins.
He had decent offensive and defensive promise during his Junior career.
I seriously doubt Brad would include him in a trade.
He is too young and too big, with a decent ceiling to be trading now.

It would be impossible for me to pass on this trade, even with Gregor included.
Forum: Armchair-GM24 févr. à 13 h 13
Sujet: Stuff
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Tjm220</b></div><div>Girgensons has an almost as many goals as he has points this year... Buffalo can’t afford to be spending almost $4 million on any fourth liners...</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Czu8iks</b></div><div>Still I wouldn't trade him for Goodrow</div></div> Goodrow from last year would have been OK, but his performance fell off of a cliff.
Just to emphasize the difference between G v G.
Z has 6 goals in 39 games while B has 7 pts in 55 games.
Z is -2 and has a 2.39 xGA/60 while B is -9 and has a 2.73 xGA/60, while the hits/60 are nearly identical at 10 and 9.8 per 60 respectively.

While Cliffton has been a terrible disappointment, taking on Barclay's cap hit would be a disaster and would cost much more than next year's fifth .
Forum: Armchair-GM23 févr. à 12 h 41
Sujet: Saros mock trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingMurray</b></div><div>The Sabres choose to mock that trade.</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>The Sabres trade would require a pretty team friendly extension. Again, the Sabres are better off spending assets on improving the team defense in front of the goalie</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OrganizedConfusion55</b></div><div>Goalies don't net this return.</div></div>
<a href="/users/AK50" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@AK50</a>
Surely you jest.
Since the first of the year:
Saros 2.89 GAA 22nd 0.908 SV% 18th
Luukkonen 1.81 GAA 1st 0.934 2nd (only Hellebuyck was better with 0.935)
Nashville would be adding not Buffalo.

<a href="/users/JOSI4NORRIS" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/JOSI4NORRIS" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@JOSI4NORRIS</a></a> Luukkonen SV% over the last 2 games is 0.947 with a 1.5 GAA if you want to cherry pick!
Maybe we can agree that Saros will not be traded to Buffalo.
Second edit:
<a href="/users/JOSI4NORRIS" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/JOSI4NORRIS" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@JOSI4NORRIS</a></a> Luukkonen SV% over the last 2 games is 0.944 with a 1.62 GAA if you want to cherry pick!
The defense let him down against the Ducks with Erik Johnson committing 2 terrible turn overs that led directly to goals.
Forum: Armchair-GM19 févr. à 19 h 57
Sujet: Major Shake Up
<a href="/users/AntiAnalytics" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@AntiAnalytics</a>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BUFF36</b></div><div>Do we have a sighting, hope all is well!</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Good grief</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stadel</b></div><div>Of their many issues, being soft is like 12th biggest.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LosPatos</b></div><div>Based on todays performance, why the hell would Anaheim want UPL</div></div> I guess if one were to only look at the stats and read 4 goals on 15 shots it appears Luukkonen played poorly.
Watching the replay of the goals will tell a different story.
Erik Johnson misses passing cross ice to a wide open Ryan Johnson, loses a puck battle to Johnston which led to a wide open Henrique in the high slot for an easy goal.
Erik Johnson, again, fails to tie up the stick of Vatrano that led to the easiest goal Frank will ever score.
Erick Johnson, opps again, has a horrible turnover at the blue line leaving Ryan Johnson to defend against McTavish and Vatrano has another easy goal into an open net.
The fourth goal Luukkonen should have saved even though Ryan Johnson and Cliffton allowed Terry to skate to the front of the net.
It was difficult to watch Johnson play so poorly, Luukkonen was not the reason the Sabres lost the game, terrible turnovers and poor defensive play left him out to dry too many times.
Forum: Armchair-GM18 févr. à 12 h 44
Sujet: Adjustments
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Korax</b></div><div><strong>So Sturm value is a 1st rounder? </strong>
Anderson value wise is okay, but BUF will want to replace Savoie with Rosen</div></div> <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>I think at this point I would move <strong>Samuelsson over johnson, but I don't think I would move either for Sturm</strong>, and I do think we need a legit two way center in the middle 6. If andersson isn't happening I'd move on, not interested with a Hanifin bait and switch.</div></div><a href="/users/Ankleblades" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Ankleblades</a> On 2022-Mar-15 Sturm was rraded from Minnesota Wild to Colorado Avalanche for Tyson Jost, how is now worth Ryan Johnson?
Of all of the Sabres there are very few that actually chose to play for them.
Ryan Johnson was one month away from being a UFA, he decided to sign with Buffalo.
It would send a truly horrible signal to the every player in the league if he was traded part way through his first season for a 4th line center who has 3 goals.
In addition to being terrible PR, of ALL Sabre defensemen Ryan has the lowest 5 on 5 xGA at 2.37 goals/60.
You want to trade Ryan Johndon for Tyson Jost?
As you may have been able to glean from my post, your trade made my head explode.
<a href="/users/sabres89" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/sabres89" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@sabres89</a></a> and <a href="/users/sabres89" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><a href="/users/sabres89" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@sabres89</a></a> were too polite to you.
Forum: Armchair-GM17 févr. à 17 h 52
Sujet: Long term with Ehlers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Zach</b></div><div>Skinner will need to be moved or bought out anyway to give Tuch and Quinn pay raises so not so much an Ehlers move. I don't think we can wait any longer, our window was open last season, wasted an open window this season, and now Dahlins and Powers deals kick in so there is real urgency to get in the playoffs next season especially with Tampa and Toronto showing decline + Boston will have to come back down to earth sometime, I'd rather be prepared for it</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AntiAnalytics</b></div><div>We’d ONLY need to get rid of Skinner somehow IF we were bringing in a guy like Ehlers

Now Ehlers is younger &amp; better than Skinner,
but is the difference between the two :
Savoie + Rosen + a top10 pick + a 2nd ???

Sorry, but NO WAY
That’s just way too much dude</div></div>

Please accept my apology for butting into your conversation.
Let me make a few points.
So we have to move out three future assets and Skinner to make room for Ehlers, but then we sign him to a contract for ONLY $1,000,000 less but it will extend for 6 years longer than Skinner current deal.
So how much better is Ehlers that Skinner.
Over the past 3 seasons Ehlers has played in 158 games with 56 goals and 129 pts, while Skinner has played in 204 games scored 85 goals and 179 pts.
It appears Skinner is more durable, but accounting for the extra games Skinner scores 0.42 goals/gm and 0.88 pts/gm while Ehlers is at 0.35 and 0.81 respectively.
Neither PK and Skinner xGA over that period was 2.98 and Ehlers was 2.65, neither are great.

Methinks it is better to keep the three futures and Skinner over the small upgrade that Ehlers may provide.
Let me add Skinner's contract expires the year before Rosen, Kulich, Savoie and Ostlund may be looking for raises.
With Ehlers on the payrole it will be more difficult to manage all of he contracts.

There is my penny and a half, shoot holes in it if you wish.

Let's keep Jeff who wants to play in Buffalo and is a team player.