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Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 10 h 4

Sujet: lindholm and parayko

Def not paying that for Parayko... And Lindholm is one 1st too much for a pending UFA next year, IMO.

Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 9 h 56

Sujet: What goes around is all around

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Lindholm trade would probably rival Meier return

Muk = Wallinder
Zett = Berggren
Ok = McIsaac
Mango = Fabbri
2023 1st = 2024 1st
Cond 1st/2nd = 2023 2nd

(Roughly)</div></div>

You're forgetting two big factors: age (2-3 yrs difference) and RFA vs UFA. Lindholm can walk; Meier can't.

Forum: Armchair-GM17 mars 2023 à 9 h 52

Sujet: thoughts

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>Wouldn't trade either one one of Ras or Lindholm for that package, let alone both. Brutal offer</div></div>

You also soapboxed all last year that Monahan had positive value and wasn't a dump...

This is probably fair for Lindholm alone, but not with Andersson included. Can take Tuo out because he has no value.

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 13 h 56

Sujet: Rebuild - Clear cap for 3 years down the line

Detroit doesn't want TDA.

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 12 h 59

Sujet: next year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CHAR</b></div><div>I tend to use this value chart fwiw.

https://bluebulletreport.com/2022/06/16/blue-bullet-draft-pick-value-chart-2022-edition/</div></div>

Good to know. I'm not the OP, I'm just responding as a DRW fan. :)

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 12 h 54

Sujet: next year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CHAR</b></div><div>The pick values heavily favor Detroit here. #10 plus #17 is less value than #5 alone then the OP adds on two more 2nd round picks. If it was #10 / #17 / 23 2nd / 24 2nd for #5 maybe the ducks consider it.</div></div>

Using this calculator, the valuations are nearly identical (10.5 vs 10.6 depending on the late 2nd is valued):
https://theathletic.com/1798463/2020/06/12/by-the-numbers-revisiting-the-true-value-of-a-draft-pick/

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 10 h 57

Sujet: Gettin Jiggy Wit It

Nope, I will not be here to see Kasper traded.

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 10 h 12

Sujet: next year

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cartersNo1</b></div><div>plus Dvorsky is the type of player Stevey Y would like. He can play center and winger and has scoring which is something the Red Wings could use more of. Maybe instead of 17th give up veleno and a pcik but idk.</div></div>

We already have three 2nds, so I'm more inclined to like this idea. Maybe give up 10oa + player (Zadina/Fabbri/Veleno) + 2nd/3rd rounder for 5oa. And with 5oa, we take anybody that falls out of the top 4 (Carlsson, etc), Will Smith, or Dvorsky. At 17 we take a dman (but realistically, Steve goes for BPA with every pick regardless of position).

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 58

Sujet: next year

Without looking into the valuations of these picks, I really like the prospect of moving up to pick #5...

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 54

Sujet: Some Previously Posted Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>I wouldn't say that. The last few drafts have put out some real good players throughout the first round. Or at least projected really good players. Could that come to mind are Johnston #23, Caufield #15, Miller #22, Sandin #29, Lundkvist #28, Pelletier #26, Mercer #18, Schneider #19 I could go on but those are just off the top of my head, I don't want to start looking up to see who else lol.</div></div>

Good players, yeah, but not Lindholm's caliber IMO :)

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 52

Sujet: Some Previously Posted Trades

Just added the Konecny trade found here:
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4057510

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 41

Sujet: Some Previously Posted Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Oh I agree. I think Lindholm is elite, especially defensively, so he would obviously be a great add. Just some really good young players in this draft. You could make the argument that Lindholm may regress, could be significantly, considering he is heading into his later years. Both arguments could be had and go either way but at the end of the day I bet Calgary doesn't do the trade.</div></div>

I don't think they do, either. I definitely think we would have to add more, if he were on the table at all. That said, I don't think you're finding anybody with that NYI pick in the late teens that you wouldn't find in any other draft, and you're getting extremely lucky if you get someone of Lindholm's caliber.

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 22

Sujet: Captain Team

That 3rd pair though, love it.

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 19

Sujet: Some Previously Posted Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>I'm stuck in the middle of that Lindholm trade. Like obviously it favors Detroit but at the same time Lindholm will be turning 29 next season and will want a substantial raise the season after. Almost guaranteed he's going to want to chase the most money possible since it would likely be his last contract. I would expect 8-9M and it would take him to like 38 years old. That first round pick, <strong>if the player pans out</strong>, could give us alot more years with less cap hit.</div></div>

"if the player pans out" ... that is always the gamble!

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 9 h 17

Sujet: Some Previously Posted Trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>Petry if healthy isn't a terrible option for 2 years he's got left. He wouldn't be plan A but the Rd ufa market isn't great. Could sign Mayfield or Clifton but there is no real solution.</div></div>

Yeah, if we don't get Severson, I would want to fill the hole temporarily with someone like Petry. This assumes we don't get Severson :)

Forum: Armchair-GM16 mars 2023 à 8 h 39

Sujet: Moving On From Some Players To Start A Rebuild

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>Easy there! The extension is a must. He won't have another 40+ goal season high 20s and maybe low 30s. Last season he was centering Tkachuk and Gaudreau.</div></div>

Sure, but he still isn't a slouch this year. On pace for 23 goals and 68 pts <em>without</em> those guys, on top of a FO win rate of 57%, CF of 57.2%, and xGF of 52%. And a Swedish RH C who was 2nd in Selke voting last year. What a fit he would be...

Forum: Armchair-GM15 mars 2023 à 13 h 43

Sujet: Moving On From Some Players To Start A Rebuild

Detroit even does it without an extension, IMO. I see no reason, outside of money, that Lindholm wouldn't want to play with our Swedes long term.

Forum: Armchair-GM14 mars 2023 à 15 h 38

Sujet: Petry Trade

Probably fair, and works for both sides.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 14 h 3

Sujet: It all makes so much sense now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Sure. Not trying to sell him to you. Unless his on ice performance becomes consistently elite and he asks for a trade, he will be in CHI for the duration of his contract. I have liked him more than I thought I would. Just saying there is a lot of hate floating around about Jones that isn't warranted. It isn't his fault Stan Bowman is a moron and gave up way too much to acquire him and then overpaid him. But, also, within a few years, a $9.5M contract will be pretty commonplace.</div></div>

Yeah, the player always gets the flack for an idiotic GM. We know that all too well from the Ken Holland era in Detroit.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 13 h 49

Sujet: It all makes so much sense now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Those stats are heavily effected by the first few months of the season. If you isolate how he has played since the new year, and even more so since the all star break, he is playing much better than that player card would have you believe. He has been playing like a bonafide number one defenseman. Whether he can continue that trend into next season and beyond, only time will tell.</div></div>

This paints a prettier picture, but it doesn't paint the picture of a man I want to risk attaching 9.5M to for the next 7 years... with a full NMC.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 13 h 39

Sujet: It all makes so much sense now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dk325</b></div><div>It's just wishful thinking. Jarmo has been devastating the Blackhawks for years now and their fans just want the bad man out of the NHL.</div></div>

I would say that the Hawks are the 'bad men' and they should be out of the NHL. Somehow Bettman has given them a pass bigger than his pet team in Arizona.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 12 h 1

Sujet: It all makes so much sense now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Bellashmella</b></div><div>Almost a Zero chance Jarmo has a job at draft time</div></div>

Why? Because the team had a bad season when dealt a **** ton of injuries, and now they're about to get an elite player in the draft?

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 11 h 44

Sujet: Trying to rebuild the worst team in the league

I think Detroit would be more inclined to move the 2024 BOS 1st considering Konecny's performance has been inconsistent the past few years.

Also, I wouldn't say PHI is the worst team in the league, but certainly among the most difficult to rebuild.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 10 h 12

Sujet: Dach and DeBrincat Style Trades

I think if you put both 1sts in the VAN deal and both 2nds in the PHI deal, then the valuations are closer to fair. However, I don't think we have a need for Frost, and I doubt VAN moves EP.

Forum: Armchair-GM13 mars 2023 à 9 h 32

Sujet: It all makes so much sense now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>DET isn't trading for Jones, agree with you guys on that one. But just to be clear Jones has been one of the better defenders in the NHL this year (more impressive on this terrible roster) and is absolutley not a cap dump, and the hawks don't need to "dump" his money. He's maybe a million overpaid but still absolutely a top pair D.</div></div>

Actual stats seem to heavily disagree with your opinion:
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