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Forum: Armchair-GM8 févr. 2022 à 14 h 15
Sujet: not overvaluing players
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>willinlisbon</b></div><div>Here's the thing when it comes to Trade Deadlines (or sometimes even before).
Most of the time its a seller's market due to the "high demand" of teams either in contention, or teams looking to make a splash in the playoffs and think they're chances are great.
When you add to that playoff proven experience AND team friendly contracts - you now have players being traded for MUCH MORE THAN WHAT THEY"RE WORTH.
When you add to this the fact that Montreal can not only retain salary, but also take on bad contracts to help the other team out - MONTREAL IS IN AN AMAZING BARGANING POSITION!!!!

this is what people on this board fail to understand.

I see comments like Chiarot and Lekhonen are not worth that - YES, you're right - but they will be come Trade deadline day, due to the aforementioned reasons.

Chiarot can easily score a 1st and prospect (with retained salary and a contract coming the other way).
Lekhonen can easily score a 2nd and a prospect (with a contract coming the other way)
Kulak can easily score a mid round pic (4th). Perrault and Pacquette (4th. to 5th.)
Toffoli (although I don't think he'll be traded) will easily get you a 1st and a high end prospect. (no salary retention but maybe a contract coming the other way.)

If anyone thinks that Hughes and Gorton won't bleed the market dry for whatever they can , then they've been living under a rock for the last few trade deadlines.</div></div>

You never see a team overpay for rentals at the deadline. The only overpay I see this year would be for Chiarot which would likely be a 1st (maybe something added more). Teams aren't giving away big value for 30 games and playoffs for a third line guy. For toffoli, I can see a team trading a 1st and a good prospect but definitely not a top end prospect.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 févr. 2022 à 2 h 57
Sujet: not overvaluing players
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shifttee</b></div><div>You seem to be pretty high on Valimaki (apparently higher than I am) but to me it seems like you're selling low on Toffoli

IMHO, Toffoli is your most valuable trade asset</div></div>

He is probably their most valuable asset this year, but Valimaki is a former 1st round pick who's shown promise. His analytics have been slightly below average but it's something you can expect from a guy who doesn't play often, gets bottom pairing minutes, and is in and out of the lineup. From what I've seen watching him, I can see that he has the potential to be a solid player in the future if he continues to develop well. I still value Valimaki as a late 1st round pick so the trade is essentially still a 1st and 2nd for Toffoli and the 4th. Maybe the 4th would be moved down to a 6th but that's the value I believe Toffoli would get back.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 févr. 2022 à 2 h 52
Sujet: not overvaluing players
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Blues pass. If they were going to do this, they'd have done it already. Boston passes, Nashville passes, and you should probably check the cap situation for some of these other teams.</div></div>

The only cap situation im unsure about is the Carolina one. Most of the trades can be different teams but same value in return. Byron is still a 3rd or 4th line guy, I'd take off the 5th, so Byron at 2 mil in exchange for a 3rd would be a decent deal for both sides.

A backup goalie is really important for teams, and Nashville needs one to help out Saros. You don't want your goalie playing 65+ games and then going to playoffs every year, so having Allen take tge workload off would be ideal, plus his salary is retained making it more comfortable for NSH to acquire him.

For the Chiarot trade, I just chose a team that needed a LD but it could definitely be some other team. I know the blues are a team looking for a top 4 LD so chiarot isn't too far out of the picture. They for sure could use the help of another dman though this year as the team can very well make a playoff run.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 févr. 2022 à 3 h 55
Sujet: My deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Haha yes!!! Less ice time for McD and Drai, and more for Benson. That's their problem! You've solved it!

Heh. Seriously, he's terrible. The guy plays against the worst competition possible and has a career 30% on-ice goal share. Hey, appreciate who you want to appreciate. That's your right. But if you really think he's currently worth a 3rd, I'd suggest you get used to disappointment.</div></div>

I'm just saying the bottom 6 deserves better than their 8 minutes a night and McDavid and Drai shouldn't be playing 22+ minutes a night. Balance is better for the team but Tippet is an idiot lol.

For Benson, the chances of drafting a guy better than him in the late 3rd or 4th round is extremely slim. Not even half of those guys drafted make the show, and yes Benson isn't the best player out there but still a relatively young guy who should be in the NHL giving him a lot of time to improve his game which has been taking steps over the years. I'd take a guy who's closer to the league than a gamble on a draft pick any day.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 févr. 2022 à 14 h 57
Sujet: My deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>1- Hahaha what??? Benson is an AHLer. Dude has all of TWO points in 26 NHL games. He's a perimeter player who is also a weak skater, which is only the worst combo one can have at this level. The guy has no value. Of all the people the OIlers have tried on the wings of McD and Drai, they won't let this guy anywhere near them. He makes Kassian look like an All-Star. Sorry, but it's true. He bad. And he not of this league for long.

2- He's not.</div></div>

Benson is a gritty bottom 6 guy who is still young. He should be in the oilers lineup over a few guys so I wouldn't base anything off of the oilers' lineup decisions. He belongs in the NHL as a 4th line guy who can stir it up and chip in offensively. He's too good for the AHL being a point per game guy. You also have to add in the fact of his minimal ice time due to Tippet's horrible coaching overplaying McDavid and Drai giving the bottom 6 less than 10 minutes a night and not playing his younger guys. Plus Benson is only 23 giving him plenty of time to improve. AND due to the oilers' bottom 6 guys not getting their ice time, their play level has gone down (if you've seen RAPM charts comparing Ryan and Foegele before and after coming to EDM you'll see why I say this). I'm not saying he has much value but Benson is better than what you make him out to be.

We've seen weirder trades happen that make you wonder why teams are moving guys. The logic behind my trades aren't far fetched but it's a doubtful outcome knowing oilers' managment.
Forum: Armchair-GM4 févr. 2022 à 14 h 38
Sujet: My deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Let's just go one by one, shall we?

- You are not getting anything for Kassian. In fact, you'd have to pay to move him, probably at least a 2nd.
- Nobody is giving a 2nd for Barrie until Jason Botteril returns somewhere. In fact, he's quickly careening toward "have to pay" territory. Not there yet, but...
- Yes, Dallas takes that in a heartbeat... but considering the first two asks you won't have the cap to do it.
- Benson has no value, but take him out and you're not too terribly far off. Of course, you also don;t have the cap for it.
- Bro... as nuts as it sounds, there's a case to be made that he's been the Devils best D-man this season, and for dirt cheap. Not a chance in hell.
- Okay, that one you can probably pull off (even if Safin is a nothing throw-in)</div></div>

I agree that Barrie and Kassian would be cap dumps but it's not that far out there that a team would actually trade something for them. For some reason there's been a lot of bad trades recently that leave you wondering why some GMs have a job and if the oilers can take advantage they should (doubt it though).

The lehkonen trade is close to value, Benson probably has the value of a late 3rd or 4th round pick. Kinda just a solid bottom 6 guy for his career. Both guys put together will probably make the trade a better deal for MTL as they get a 2nd and an NHL player.

I know Siegenthaler is good, but I was aiming for a trade like the Stephenson or Marchessualt (when he was moved to Florida) trades. A guy who was decent but didn't have much value due to volume of better players on the team. WIth Graves and Smith playing on the left side and Hamilton and Severson on the right, Siegenthaler would be on the bottom pair. Any team should be taking advantage if he os available.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 févr. 2022 à 2 h 13