SalarySwishSalarySwish
Avatar

Yinzer

Yinzer
Membre depuis
26 juill. 2021
Équipe favorite
Penguins de Pittsburgh
Deuxième équipe favorite
Avalanche du Colorado
Messages dans les forums
71
Messages par jour
0.1
Forum: Armchair-GM18 févr. à 15 h 27
Sujet: Would Edmonton do this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>$1.1M 2024-25
$2.3M 2025-26
$2.6M 2026-27
$1.5M/yr from 2027-2030

Even in this scenario EDM isn't paying enough to move Campbell and have us retain on smith.

That means for the 2024-25 season the pens would be almost $5.6M in deadcap between Campbell, Petry, Johnson, Smith.

Hard pass, terrible for the penguins.

Plus Holland said they're not moving Broberg I believe. Could've been for a rental they weren't.</div></div>

Yeah, he said they wouldn't move him for a rental, but Smith isn't a rental and obviously getting to move Campbell would be an added incentive.

I understand your points about cap space and I'm not necessarily advocating for this trade. It mostly a thought experiment and an attempt to see how the Penguins might get younger assets quickly.

For the sake of conversation, what would need to change for you to feel like a trade around this premise works for the Penguins? Would it be not retaining anything on Smith? More picks/prospects?
Forum: Trade Machine Proposals27 avr. 2023 à 1 h 17
Sujet: PIT-AZ-MIN
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Imagine874859</b></div><div>Holy hell this is so bad for Pittsburgh</div></div>

Lol. And here I thought I was gonna get blasted for being a homer.

How is this so bad for Pittsburgh when they're getting back a big, tough top-six forward who is 24 and signed to a good deal, two gritty 3rd line wingers with size, a top-tier prospect, and a second pick and all they are giving up is Jake (who will turn 30 and is in a contract year), Smith (i.e. a b-grade prospect), and a 1st and 3rd? Ohgren would immediately become their best prospect and is worth a first in his own right. So you're essentially trading Guentzel and Smith for Crouse, Foligno, Fischer, and a 2nd pick.

Maybe you just don't want to trade Jake, and I get it. I'm just of the mind that the Penguins ought not pay another 30 year old 7-8 million dollars for the next 8 years and that they need an infusion of grit, size, toughness, and youth. Crouse would instantly add that to the top six and could be that net-front guy that the team has lacked since Hornqvist left.
Forum: Armchair-GM16 avr. 2023 à 22 h 26
Sujet: Harder Faster Bigger Stronger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fmaximilian</b></div><div>Pretty good rebuttal to all these comments, you sold me. But even if values are off on the trades, I still like the players you brought in. Crouse should be a guy the Penguins really go after. I want Compher, Graves and Soucy as well. It will be tough, as Graves and Compher will be VERY popular. I think we have to trade one of Rust or Guenztel this offseason.</div></div>

Thanks for this comment! One of the things I don't like about Armchair GM is that it always becomes about people telling you why the trade is stupid rather than considering whether the players involved would make the team better or not, so it's good to hear from another Pens fan about the nature of the actual players the Penguins would be adding.

It would be really hard to part with Guentzel, but part of me thinks that that might be the best move for the team this offseason because he's going into a contract year and will need a raise, but also I really think the team needs to get bigger and tougher in the top six. If you add Crouse and keep Zucker, then Guentzel would be the natural player to move. Plus he will fetch you the biggest return. Also, on the PP, Guentzel is often in the net-front role and really doesn't fit there.

As for the other players, I'd be really excited to see Graves and Soucy on the backend with their size. And Compher would be the very best possible 3C available for the Penguins in my opinion. Finally the bottom six would be tough to play against!
Forum: Armchair-GM16 avr. 2023 à 22 h 16
Sujet: Harder Faster Bigger Stronger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>But Petry's value is at the heart of the matter. Yes Yzerman made the UFA splash on Chiarot (much younger than Petry), but the thinking was to add toughness to the top 4..and Chiarot really didn't deliver. The term was short enough that it won't matter with 3 more years at a slightly inflated contract isn't terrible. If all the LD prospects pan out, the Chiarot is your 7th D, and that is fantastic.

Again, nobody is asking to give assets for a 35+ with a 6 million price tag for 2 more years. Nobody. Petry isn't Erik Karlsson. He isn't even John Klingberg.

And changing draft positions to drop for a guy who won't help in 2 years when the team is competing.. are you kidding? Yes, that absolutely matters. A 1st (dropping position) and a 2nd is laughable.

Detroit isn't trading assets for something that doesn't help in 2 years. Bottom line.</div></div>

I disagree. If it were true that no one would give up assets for Petry, then Ken Hughes wouldn't have insisted on the Penguins including Matheson in the trade to Pittsburgh and would have instead took Pettersson and ran. A lot of analysts at the time of the trade called it an even trade or a net positive for the Penguins because Petry added size and puck-moving ability that the Penguins needed. If the Penguins want to move Petry they will absolutely find takers. Detroit seemed like a logical choice to me because they have a hole at RD and Petry has a history with Chariot. He is only two seasons removed from being a big reason why the Canadiens made it to the final. Plus, he was not the only player I included as part of the deal.

Agree to disagree?
Forum: Armchair-GM16 avr. 2023 à 19 h 20
Sujet: Harder Faster Bigger Stronger
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tonyhzs</b></div><div>Petry is old and doesn't fit the rebuild, not to mention there is literally nobody bidding to take on that contract without retention. Even with 50% retention, he is not worth more than a 5th.

Nobody trades assets of any value for a backup. UFA is cheaper and easier.

The prospect is 22 and not am NHL regular. Moving out of prospect territory and into career AHLer land.</div></div>

I don't think a 2nd round pick and changing draft positions by like 5 spots is too much to ask for a top 4 defenseman. NHL GM's will listen on Petry, just like they will pay the price of a first round pick for Ben Chariot and sign him for nearly 5 million a year. Chariot doesn't fit the typical mold of a rebuild either at 31, but the Wings signed him.

Petry is a Michigan guy, played well with Chariot, can mentor young defenseman for two years, and can have a bounce-back year in a better spot. I'm not saying they would do it for sure, but don't act like this is that much of a stretch.

Beyond the particulars of the trades, I'm more interested in the Penguins shedding salary, getting younger, adding some grit to the bottom six, and size to the back end. I would rather discuss those things than Petry's value.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 févr. 2023 à 19 h 14
Sujet: Pens Should Go After Chychrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>So you think Dumoulin should be playing 25 minutes?</div></div>

I think Dumoulin played 25 minutes because they don't have another option for a top pairing defenseman. Hence the point of this post. They need a top-2 LD like Chychrun really badly. Dumoulin has played better as of late and would likely be much more effective playing more like 15 minutes a night.

As for developing Joseph, I hear you, but Joseph is older than Pettersson was when he first arrived and only a year younger than Makar and Chychrun. Think about that. Joseph is the same age as Makar was last season when he won the Norris and the Conn Smyth. Of course he's can improve, but he's not going to be much better than he is now. 23 is old for a prospect these days. You're talking about trading two bottom six defenseman for a top pairing defenseman. If anything, what I'm offering here is not enough to get the deal done.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 févr. 2023 à 18 h 37
Sujet: Pens Should Go After Chychrun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>Well, no offense, while you may not be high POJ, the actual facts of his play are real and he's incredibly effective. Nobody thought Pettersson would ever be a 1st pairing dman and he's shown this year that he is.

Money is also at play here. You don't move Chychrun at the expense of POJ. If the Pens went after him, which they won't, you look to keep both and find another way. Chych, Petts and POJ down the left side would be incredibl and affordable.

Your asset-management in this is just flawed.</div></div>

Lol. Ok. If POJ is as good as you say, then why did he play all of 11 minutes last night in an incredibly fast-paced game that went to OT? Why is he on the 3rd pair? Why doesn't he play on the PP or the PK?

Look, I'm not against him. I think he has potential, and I agree that he's a good young player filling a need on the 3rd pair. But you've got to give in order to get, and POJ will never be a top pair defenseman like Chychrun is. The asking price is reportedly two firsts and a prospect or (equivalent value) for Chychrun for a reason.

I'd much rather trade Smith and POJ than let go of our first overall pick this year in such a deep draft. Most experts project both Smith and POJ to be bottom pairing defenseman at this point in their development with 2nd pair potential. Practically nobody expects them to play top pairing minutes.