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Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs18 avr. 2023 à 0 h 4
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Yeah I started my post off with "on a lesser point" LoL

But yeah Vasi is being overlooked because he has not looked stellar like he did the last couple of years. My fear is that he may turn on beast mode and the Leafs get goalied. There's no amount of anything that can be done by a goalie just turning it on.</div></div>

You certainly did and I started mine off with “Fella's I get what you're saying"

Point is you both made very valid points/arguments but mine is a little different. I know you're line of thinking is similar as is <a href="/users/MatthewsFan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@MatthewsFan</a> and this isn't meant to be a disagreement more of a different view point. MF (Matthew's Fan) makes very good points about weakness we've all seen up to this point and what we need outta certain players to be successful and he's absolutely 💯 right. You make a very good point about Bunting needing to keep himself in check to be an X factor and you're absolutely 💯right. My point isn't to argue either of yours are wrong I just think my approach is a little different. My point is everything that's happened up to this point is inconsequential because if this team doesn't show up and bring the best version of themselves every second of every shift they won't get past Tampa and this team will look very different next year. Yes Buntz needs to be an x factor but so does literally every player on this team is my point. If they fail to fo that this isn't the right mix going forward. My expectations might be high or some might say unrealistic but this is the playoffs and everyone and their grandmother knows what the current iteration of this team has accomplished to this point and what they are capable of... It's time they get held to those standards IMO.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 21 h 1
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trickster</b></div><div>If Dubas leaves I don't see the reason being money.</div></div>

Oh snap son! Trickster has joined in... Who called in the heavies?!? Lol

In all seriousness 💯 and why would he want to leave to go to pitt? They have an aging core who showed this year can't be relied upon to get them into the playoffs as other teams have closed that gap on them and they have some bad contracts on the books that won't be easy to move. Similar to CGY who whatever GM takes over will have a hard time making the changes needed to get them back into the playoffs.

Whoever thinks Dubas would LEAVE a 100+ point team with the core in their prime to go to a situation like that doesn't have a high IQ. If Dubas is gone this off-season (very unlikely) it will be because MLSE wants to go in another direction and doesn't offer an extension. That said I think we beat Tampa this year making this a moot point. Also, something else to ponder is how can anyone expect someone else to take over and be able to convince Matthew's of their vision to the point he'd be willing to extend in such a short time?
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 20 h 26
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Could not agree more, we’ve been screaming for years Matthews Nylander and Tavares Marner, we finally got for half this year then Keefe reverts back.

Nylander with Tavares
22/23 GF 18 GA 23
20/23 GF 78 GA 81

Nylander with Matthews
22/23 GF 38 GA 14
20/23 GF 49 GA 32

Marner with Tavares
22/23 GF 31 GA 16
20/23 GF 45 GA 39

Marner with Matthews
22/23 GF 33 GA 20
20/23 GF 142 GA 79

There is no question Matthews and Marner are deadly but if you need a goal in the 3rd period then put them together. But it’s been a long enough sample to see Tavares and Nylander together don’t mix.

I definitely didn’t not expect Knies to look this polished. I would scratch Lafferty to keep him in and go:

Bunting Matthews Marner
Knies O’Reilly Nylander
Kerfoot Tavares Jarnkrok
ZAR Kampf Acciari

And if you need to shorten the bench you can always move Knies off for Tavares and move Acciarri up into 3C.



Jarnkrok Tavares Marner TOI 177min
CF% 53 / FF% 54 / xGF 7.11 / xGA 5.53 / HDCF 35 / HDCA 25

Jarnkrok Tavares Nylander TOI 39min
CF% 50 / FF% 56 / xGF 3.58 / xGA 1.95 / HDCF 15 / HDCA 11

They were better defensively in a lower sample. But Nylander has played his best hockey next to Matthews and now O’Reilly.</div></div>

It's hard not to feel bad for JT after he was essentially promised he'd be playing with Marner if he signed here then tied Matthew's n Marner at the hip
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 20 h 3
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>leafs101</b></div><div>Bunting - Matthews - Jarnkrok
Kerfoot - Tavares - Marner
Knies - ROR - Nylander
Lafferty/ZAR - Kampf - Acciari

Coin toss on Lafferty and ZAR. Playing Knies gives you another element that neither of those guys can bring. He's looked ready through 3 games. Why not play the X factor?

Especially at home where you could more easily shelter him if needed in games 1 and 2.</div></div>

I'd urge on the side of caution before anointing the kid our savior. He's played 3 meaningless games to this point in his career at the highest level. He's looked good I get it but I also noticed he gets gassed pretty quick. If I'm not mistaken wasn't he playing like 17 mins a night in college? The competition is much harder in the NHL than collage especially in the playoffs where tye games intensity and rough play ramp up.

I'm not down on the kid by any means just think he needs time to eas into the league and line up first. I think it's unfair to him to put him into a situation he's not ready for and the pressure that comes with it and moreso playing for the leafs especially when the playoffs come into play. He shouldn't be the reason we win or lose to Tampa IMO.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 19 h 55
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Kind of wish Murray could have stayed healthy and could have put on some good games to the end

As imagine Murray vs. Vasi 2 goalies in the cap era who have helped their teams win B2B cups facing one another in ROUND 1

Either way we just need to pray we get the reg season home Sammy in game 1 and 2 and not swimming against his will road Sammy.</div></div>

Me too. If Murray could have stayed healthy we wouldn't be in the predicament we currently are with him. That said everyone including Dubas knew about his injury history, but I still think Dubas made the right move given the circumstances at the time. Dubas has shown in the past that he can pivot and get creative to not only unload contracts that don't work out but find a way to improve/get value back (the Ritchie, Marazek &amp; even the Kapanen deals all come to mind).

I think Sammy will be fine but he is unproven still. That said there's only one way to get experience.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 19 h 42
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>No doubt, goaltending is the great equalizer and TBL has one of if not the best in the NHL.

I will say Murray’s glove hand is to Vasilevskiy‘a blocker.
<div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I remember going to Blue Jackets practice before the 1st Round back in ‘19 &amp; I counted 30 straight shots to the blocker side of Bob in preparation of facing VasyThought it was just a coincidence, until the games startedSomething to keep an eye on moving forward for sure <a href="https://t.co/01fuf8687d" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/01fuf8687d</a></p>— Jay Recher (@jayRecher) <a href="https://twitter.com/jayRecher/status/1532444608508084225?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">June 2, 2022</a></blockquote>

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Hopefully they target it again</div></div>

IMHO I think Vasalevski is the best but others have closed the gap substantially.

You're right! This most certainly is a winnable series for the Leafs but everyone will need to be at their best if they're going to get past Tampa. If we beat Tampa the path through the East won't get any easier but let's take it one series at a time.

I get where you're coming from you brought up weakness from the past. The difference for me is the way I'm looking at is all of that is in the past, this is a clean slate from this point on because if we lose in the 1st round again changes will be massive and we will see a very different team hit the ice next year. They all need to bring their A game every second of every shift otherwise we won't get out of the 1st rnd and that would tell me this isn't the right mix. IMO
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 19 h 24
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nathaniel</b></div><div>Agreed but Bunting needs to keep his antics in check. He could easily sink us if he is baited by Tampa. I love the guy, but he is a loose cannon and has a well known reputation. If he becomes another Kadri, I will be extremely upset. This series is completely winnable, but we cant have guys taking dumb penalties</div></div>

Agree with everything you're saying here. I'll add, how Bunting handels himself this postseason will be heavily factored into his next contract regardless of what team he signs with. If he shows he can't keep his cool and is hurting his team by taking stupid penalties, other teams will certainly think twice about handing him out a big contract especially with term.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 19 h 13
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>On a lesser note, I hope Bunting is an X factor in a positive way in that he plays between the whistles and keeps his displeasure of officiating to zero.

I feel Tampa will do everything to get under the skin of guys like Bunting, attempting them to take penalties or worse, get kicked out of the series.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Absolutely with Bunting, I don't see it getting to the point of getting kicked out but he needs to find that right balance of playing on the edge that makes him effective while not taking stupid retaliatory penalties.

I'm looking at Tavares that needs to step up. His 5v5 play really took a dive this year during the regular season (only two points last year against TBL at 5v5) if Keefe is going to stack that line they need to produce. I would have much rather Marner on that line instead but oh well.</div></div>

Fella's I get what you're saying but let's be real the x factor for this playoff series is Vasalevski, if he shows up he can be the difference maker and win the series. I think we can get past Tampa this year but some people seem to think it's going to be a cake walk. Tampa ain't just going to roll over and give us 4 easy wins. Whoever makes it to the cup finals from the East this year will have gone through a blood bath to get there.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 19 h 1
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>I honestly don’t even want to think about him potentially leaving, I’ll live in ignorance is bliss and just hope for the best.

I don’t even want to guess what a return would even look like if TOR had to go down that road. I’m holding out hope he wants to resign here, I’m guessing another 5 year deal so he in cash in again one more time. Maybe he bolts after that.</div></div>

Don't worry bro he ain't leaving, it's all just naysayers hating on the leafs and leaf fans. I honestly never understood how someone can spend more time hating on another team rather than following/cheering for their team(s). I'm a huge Jay's fan and absolutely hate the Yankees but I don't wast my time trolling their threads actually, some Yankee fans are some of the best to converse with on baseball trade rumors.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 18 h 24
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Take a look at Ottawa, next season they are at the cap, and really not having enough cap to sign some players to the contracts they want.</div></div>

I'm aware of their cap situation, that wasn't my question...my question was will new ownership allow their FO to spend to the cap? I'm not sure if you've ever been to Kanata but it's about a 45min drive (depending on traffic) to get to the arena which is why they need a new arena in Ottawa and why they don't sell or haven't sold enough tickets in the past to justify spending to the cap. After spending about a billion dollars to buy the team plus what it will cost for a new arena, new ownership may not be so keen to spend to the cap.

Edit: whoever buys the Sens will have looked over the numbers and know how much revenue the team generates and will take it into consideration when determining what they will spen on the roster. The current ownership Melnyk's daughters allowed their FO to spend to help with the sale of the team but doesn't mean a new ownership group will.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 18 h 19
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>What I say to both of you in response is that when it comes to Ekholm and similar scenarios, you gotta do some napkin math and ask yourself "Ekholm has X amount of years so what's the likelihood that I'm around for that entire contract vs trying to give my roster the best chance possible to win right now"

If Dubas is worried about 5-6 years from now, there's a problem. There's a saying something along the lines of "we'll cross that bridge when we get there" and it seems apt this TDL and the entire off season and into next season just because Matthew's status and what happens beyond that.

As for Keefe, the more I see him make certain decisions, the more I shake my head. Babcock had his warts and I feel Keefe has his own. Keefe is definitely the easy first guy shown the door if the playoff results are lacking but I guess where my thinking differs from some of you guys is that Dubas has had 5 years to show playoff success.

It's not all on Dubas, the players have to take some blame here but Dubas is also the guy who assembles the roster. In my lifetime watching sports, GM's get a certain amount of time before ownership decides there's been enough time for the current GM and it's time to bring in someone else.

To me it feels like some just want Dubas as the the indefinite GM of the Leafs and honestly, that's not realistic.</div></div>

I get where you're coming from and you're certainly not wrong. As for Ekholm yes in part Dubas has to ask himself that but at the same time he has to be cognizant of future contracts and where this team is going while factoring in trying to win now. I don't agree Dubas went all in at this deadline, if he did Knies wouldn't be wearing a Leafs jersey rn.

I disagree that Dubas thinking about 5-6 years from now is a problem but I get your point and it's valid. 5-6 years is a long time into the future but as a GM you always have to think about the future of your team. The hard part for Dubas and any GM who's team is in win now mode is balancing winning now with how much future you're willing to sacrifice but it can't just be we'll cross that bridge when we get to it... That's a carless approch IMO and how GM's get themselves fired.

I hope I'm wrong but I don't think Keefe is the coach to take us far in the playoffs. 💯 He'll be the first one shown the door if we don't have success.

Definitely don't think Dubas is untouchable. He's done a good job since being hired but yes he will be shown the door also if we don't make it outta the 1st rnd.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs17 avr. 2023 à 17 h 42
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Nathaniel</b></div><div>I know you didn't ask for my 2 cents, but I've got nothing better to do during intermission and the whole AM34 trade speculation thing is something I find very interesting. It seems obvious that if Matthews expresses that his intent is to not resign, the Leafs are going to be in a very tough spot. I wouldn't necessarily want to give to too early, and we would have to make a choice at a crucial time in the season. If we are having a really good season come the TDL but Matthews has said he is leaving, do you really give up and just trade him? I don't think so. The tricky thing is that if you wait until the offseason, you'd be stuck trading his UFA rights at best, in which case I cant see a suitable return coming back. I think if Matthews leaves, the immediate priority shouldn't be Nylander, but Marner. Marner is the single most important player on this team. His defensive game, his playmaking ability, his underrated scoring ability. The kid does it all, and losing him would be the nail in the coffin.

We really don't have any great center prospects that have 1st line center upside. As for the basis of the trade, I honestly have no idea. If he gets traded to a team like LA, I would be demanding Quinton Byfield, an unprotected 1st, and potentially another high end prospect like Brandt Clarke. I think LA makes the most sense, as they would have Kopitar's caphit off of the books, it's a Western Conference team, and it's a huge market. They certainly have the assets to make it work, but I would rather not think about a reality where we lose one of the greatest all time Leafs in his prime. There is some hope though, as Matthews seems to like Toronto and the legend himself Kyle Dubas has set us up nicely to have more than enough cap space to make it happen. I'm not losing sleep over the thought of AM34 leaving because I don't think it's happened, but if it does, we have to be extremely smart in how we navigate the trade</div></div>

All opinions are welcome, I enjoy good sports talk when I have the chance too. I personally don't think Matthew's will leave he seems to like Toronto, he gets to be in the spotlight &amp; more importantly he makes wayyyyy more here from endorsement deals here than he would in any other market other than maybe Montreal.

In this hypothetical scenario where AM34 tells the FO he has no intention of re-signing with the leafs we absolutely have to move him this off-season because his return will only diminish the longer we keep him and he's too valuable to not maximize the return. I agree L.A makes the most sense and Byfield will be coming back but Brandt Clarke will for sure have to be part of it as well as at least 1 unprotected 1st and I think this FO pushes for Danault as well. Everyone seems to think they can wait for him to become a FA and sign him without being realistic on how often players of his caliber make it too FA. It's alos not like the Patty Kane situation where there's only one team although, I realize it wouldn't be a massive market for AM.

Also agree Marner should be top priority after Matthew's gets done but we'll have JT's money coming off the books so I'm not worried about him. Nylander is the one who worries me especially after Pasta's deal and after Matthew's and Marner got their contracts he might feel like he got the short end of the stick.
Forum: Armchair-GM17 avr. 2023 à 17 h 22
Sujet: looking ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trickster</b></div><div>Pitching.</div></div>

I agree this FO hasn't done the best job with pitching but every FO has their strengths and weaknesses. Kim Ng in Miami hasn't done a good job with position player but has the pitching. I put Shapiro in the same boat as Shanahan and Masai in that they've all came in and rebranded their teams. I put Shapiro &amp; Masai ahead of shanny because they've both done what their predecessor's could not and that's spend real $ on the Jay's (we're over the luxury tax for the first time) and the raps whereas the leafs have always spent except for under Ballard. I put Atkins in the same boat as Dubas in that they've both adjusted their initial stance on roster construction to try and get ahead of the curve of the way the game is going or match the way other teams play to beat them. Obviously both are different sports and require a different approach to roster construction especially with the new rule changes in baseball and I think Atkins has done a good job at that. Atkins definitely isn't without his warts and I'm not a Shapiro and Atkins apologist by any means but I'd grade them both (Atkins &amp; Dubas) in the A-,B+ range.

AA was great at drafting and developing pitching but wasn't great at position players until he finally changed his approach to roster construction and he's spoke about it multiple times publicly. I love AA too and am happy he's had success in L.A. &amp; ATL but Rogers wasn't taking his calls while he was here and Shapiro has got this FO to spend when they weren't making money. Remember they just updated the complex in Dunedin and Buffalo while they were not only not playing in Canada but couldn't sell tickets. Beeston did a great job when he was our president but even he couldn't get ownership to buy into his vision the way Mark has.

If we end up in the wildcard and loose again or worse Atkins is gone. The whole point I'm trying to make is though they haven't done a great job with the pitching you can't deny they've done a great job on positional players and drafting and developing.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 avr. 2023 à 20 h 16
Sujet: Going Into 23 24 With a Loaded Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>The buyout has a 2 million dollar cap hit the season after when Matthews and Nylander will be on their next deals. That makes a buyout a non starter. Also moving him won't cost much if anything.

As for Sammy, that's my thought as well. He's had a good regular season but if he is the 2nd best goalie in the playoffs and it costs us a round, then he isn't getting a major long term deal.</div></div>

I agree, I don't think it will cost much and I ultimately think Dubas will trade him (similar to the Marazek deal), just playing the hypothetical game of if he can't trade him without overpaying then Dubas would rather buy him out and essentially have a flat cap the year after as it will likely rise by $2mill.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs13 avr. 2023 à 19 h 42
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Agree with a lot here.

I sooo wanted Ekholm too. Don't get me wrong, McCabe has been excellent and fitting in Ekholm's contract today but especially long term would have been to difficult. But he would have been such a great Muzzin replacement, I think people forget how good Jake was offensively (2018 2nd to Morgan with 30P at 5v5, 2nd to Barrie with 20P at 5v5 while playing 17 less games, 1st in 2020 with 20P at 5v5, and then injuries took over). I do have concerns over the lack of scoring we are getting from the backend, which is why getting Erik Gustafsson into the lineup somehow is important, especially with Rielly struggling hard.

"Did you have a certain scorer(s) in mind that you wanted Dubas to target?"
Vrana would have been perfect here or even taking Marcus Johansson over Gustafsson but they wanted to show Knies there was a way onto the lineup, having one of those guys would have made that difficult. But this organization loves Kerfoot, so what are you going to do.

"Do you think Dubas will fire Keefe if we loose again and shanny says fire keefe or your both gone?"

I don't, they are tied at the hip. Same too with Brandon Pridham, if Dubas leaves both those guys are gone too. There is still apart of me that thinks they already have an extension in place.

I am still sticking with Samsonov 1st (probably looking at somewhere between 4-4.5 on a 4 year deal) we haven't gotten this type of goaltending since Andersen 2018, I don't foresee a some drop off in the playoffs; then O'Reilly (they do a good comparable <a href="https://www.stltoday.com/sports/hockey/professional/what-could-ryan-o-reilly-s-next-contract-look-like-it-s-not-that-straightforward/article_f7cca896-b251-5d39-ab94-e5ac6f4b1429.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">here</a>) of what his next deal could like. If TOR can get a 3 year 5-5.5 AAV would be about right. Hesitant to give him 4, those final years always seem to bite the Leafs.

I am a hard pass on Kampf. I am in the camp of you don't overpay for 4th line guys. He wants to stay for another 2 year 1.5 fine but he is a black hole offensively and if not paired with the right players looks completely lost. I'd much rather have Acciari or possibly Holmberg as the 4C next year.

And agree on Bunting, I believe the smart play would be to walk away. If some team wants to pay him a long term deal so be it. I don't see losing him as a big loss they can't fill.</div></div>

Agree with everything you said about Ekholm &amp; McCabe. The only thing I'd add is McCabe has been a good Muzzin replacement minus the offence as you already alluded too. Dubas agree's with you on Gustavsson too otherwise he doesn't make the deal IMO. Not sure how much he'll cost on his next contract but if Washington deemed it too expensive I can't see us fitting him in after this season.

Not bad choices, I just don't think Dubas viewed them as big enough difference makers for this team vs giving Knies his shot. Dubas could have easily traded Knies at the deadline for a “bigger name player" but chose to find creative alternatives, that tells me Dubas truly believes he can turn into a top 6 forward in the near future.... Perhaps a Bunting replacement? I don't know if this organization loves kerf, I just think it's easier to let him walk than admit the trade didn't work out as originally hoped.

Prindham was Shanny's guy no? Thought Shanahan brought him in to manage the cap because he helped write the previous now but at the time current cba and the 2 worked together at the NHL head office.


I'll preface this by saying, I don't think Sammy will fall off in the playoffs either and I think he's already done enough to warrant an extension. However, if he gets shelled in a couple of games it will effect his value to this FO, especially if we get bounced again, as much as it will if he continues to shut the door and stands on his head in the playoffs. There's also the possibility he plays really well in the post season and prices himself out of Toronto. I think we need to wait till the playoffs are over to get a better understanding of what his next contract will look like.

I will check out the link (thank you btw) but before I do my thought is his market will be in the 3 year $5mill range, but hoping he'd take $3.5 to stay, maybe give him more term?

Kamp's value comes from killing penalties and taking tough defensive draws. You're right he is a 4th liner but ROR and him taking the draws with Marner and Accari on their wings while down a man sounds/looks pretty good to me and our pk%. I wouldn't overpay for him but he has proven hus value to this team IMO. I'd rater have all 3.

Honestly if I were Dubas I'd hold firm at $3mill knowing he'll get more on the open market and find an external partial replacement to go along with MK23.

I've talked to others on here about AM34 getting traded if he can't be re-signed in the off-season and we're all on the same page that it's speculation and nothing more... What's your take?
Forum: Armchair-GM13 avr. 2023 à 17 h 8
Sujet: Going Into 23 24 With a Loaded Roster
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>This is awful short sighted. Matthews and Nylander need new deals as will Liljegren and others. Not sure how you'll justify giving Bunting 5 million when he reverts to a 30 point bottom 6 winger without Matthews. I do agree that Samsonov getting more than 3.5 is a stretch. He's been good this season but he's been more bad than good over his career. Hard to say if he's going to be great forever or maybe he's a flash in the pan. Less money over a shorter term may be what happens.

Also moving Murray will not cost that much. There are a lot of teams who need goaltending help and Murray isn't a bad option. In a very weak year for goalies.</div></div>

I would offer buntz $3 and wouldn't go higher than $3.5 if he doesn't take it let him walk.

We need to see how Sammy does in the playoffs before we can determine a proper extension IMO.

No more than the Marazek trade or he gets bought out and we take the hit.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs13 avr. 2023 à 15 h 37
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Welcome to the Thread!

I’m probably the more opinionated guy on here, hopefully I do a good job of balancing what I don’t like about the team and what makes them great. Not going to claim to be a know it all, I just base my feelings off of what I see, writers I like to follow, and stats I find.

I love to talk about our prospects and guys we could target, feel free to add anything <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/648033/48">Here</a>but I don’t claim to be a scout of any kind, just like to watch and talk hockey.


Now that out of the way, I am definitely more of a Dubas guy than Keefe. For all of the trades (plus lack of moves) Kyle has made I can at least find some rational behind them even if they didn’t always pan out. I still firmly believe (just like the offseason) the TDL was another missed opportunity to add another scorer to the team.

I love the additions of O’Reilly, Acciari, and McCabe but not adding another scorer MIGHT haunt them. I really like ROR, hopefully he was the missing piece.

But looking at the organization as a whole, the Growlers are deep and having a great season, the Marlies are deep and having a great season, the Leafs COULD finish as high as 2nd overall in the NHL. We have a middle of the pack prospect pool despite trading away multiple picks. Since he took over in 2018 TOR is 3rd most regular season wins (268) behind only BOS and TBL (F our division). Like, how is Dubas not already signed?

I’m super mixed on Keefe. He has done a much better job of mixing a defensive structure while still maintaining the high octane offensive players TOR has then Babcock. BUT, he was significantly out coached by Torts, fukcin Dominique Ducharme, and made some very questionable roster decisions last year against TBL.

Keefe is Kyle’s guy but a GM should be able to get another chance at hiring another coach. If a head has to roll after another 1st round exit, it should be Keefe.

Players: You have to make Samsonov priority number 1 with ROR a very close 2nd. They gave up a lot of assets to get him, have to find a way to keep in the fold. I honestly have no idea what to do with Bunting. We have some really nice LW prospects (Robertson, Knies, Abruzzese, Hirvonen) do you really want to lock yourself into Bunting long term. I like the passion he plays with and brings an element some of the prospects don’t have but he is nonexistent if he doesn’t have one on the Core 4 to play with. I’m leaning on moving on is the best approach.
Acciari would be great but I have a feeling an American team might give him a better offer. ZAR sure but only a cheap deal, same too with Zohorna and Schenn.
Move on from Kampf, Kerfoot, Holl. And Gustafsson will get paid somewhere else unfortunately but I like his game.


I fully believe we have the team to beat TBL and whoever else could stand in their way onto a Cup Final. My concerns are Andrei Vasilevskiy going God mode and Sheldon Keefe over thinking the roster decisions.

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Thanks for having me! Long time listener, first time caller lol

I totally get it and being opinionated is a good thing (here) as long as the individual is open minded (which you are) to create or join in conversation. I do the same, I try to incorporate the eye test with analytics to make determinations, however, I am more than willing to admit when/if I'm wrong and eat crow.

Honestly, I used to follow, hockey,baseball &amp; basketball prospects &amp; teams/farm teams players as well as the next group of youngsters about to be drafted, but if I'm being honest I don't have the time anymore to go as indepth as I used to so I look to others/other ways to stay up to date on that but always enjoy gaining new knowledge and learning from those who know mote than I.

I like Dubas and think he's earned an extension. The problem I have is he's attached at the hip to Keefe and though I like Keefe and think he's done a decent-good job, I don't think he's the coach to take us to the cup although I could be wrong and he can make me eat crow soon enough. Also agreed on Dubas, moves (the kadri trade is the first to come to mind) I fully understand the rational behind it and he wasn't wrong it just didn't work out. I liked our deadline and feel Dubas did a great job of trying to get this team ready and give the pieces needed despite ppl thinking it was too much movement. I also like the McCabe/Laf trade but I'd be lying if I didn't say I really wanted Ekholm but obviously we couldn't afford him.

Agreed. I thought at first the ROR/Accari trade was a bit of an overpay but needed and I can't see Shanahan letting them walk this off-season. Also, IMO that deal had Shanahan written all over it. Did you have a certain scorer(s) in mind that you wanted Dubas to target?

I'm glad someone else finally mentioned this! So many non leaf fans on here underrate our prospects without giving this FO credit for the quality of prospects they've been able to unearth with such few and late picks. IMHO the work this FO has done to find the talent they have given what they've had is nothing short of astonishing and they deserve recognition/credit.

Do you think Dubas will fire Keefe if we loose again and shanny says fire keefe or your both gone?

IMO ad of right now ROR is top priority then Accari. I get where you're coming from with Sammy but the only thing I'd add is we need to see how he performs in the playoffs first. This isn't to say he hasn't earned an extension already just if he faulters in the playoffs the regular season doesn't mean as much. I personally don't think the wheels will fall off come the post season for Sammy I think he'll be good but if we loose again and he gets shelled the FO might not be so keen to hand out an extension. On the flipside if he's dominant in the playoffs he can price himself outta Toronto. I wouldn't offer more than $3.5 for Buntz personally for all the reasons you mentioned. I disagree on Kamp if we can get him on like a 5 year $10mill =$2mill per, if he wants more let him walk. I like ZAR but think he'll get a better offer from an American team IMO. I'd bring Schenn back too if we can get him for no more than the $1.1 that Timmins got. I like Gustavsson too but wouldn't bring him back as I don't think he's done enough here to justify what he's going to ask for. It was reported after the trade that Wash tried to extend him but he was asking for too much.