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Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs13 avr. 2023 à 14 h 59
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>LoL!
First post in and you're bringing the hard hitting questions right away huh.. hehe

It's alot of questions and we can discuss them, I'll just take some time to respond.

BTW for tonight's game, I think resting Matthews, Marner and Nylander is a good idea. The last thing I want is for Tampa to goon it up against our better players in a meaningless game.</div></div>

That's why they pay me the big bucks!!! Lol Elliot Friedman better watch out lmao 🤣🤣🤣. In all seriousness, my post wasn't meant to overwhelm more or less just start a convo to catch up, but certainly understand your point of view with all the questions l.

I agree, it was a good idea to rest the trio in a meaningless game. I was flipping between the leafs game n the Jay's home opener. Do you still like baseball/the blue jays? If so are you looking for good content or anyone else here?
Forum: Armchair-GM13 avr. 2023 à 14 h 54
Sujet: looking ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trickster</b></div><div>I know all too well what your saying and totally agree.

I'm still a frequent reader, just post very little.
The guys in the Leafs discussion have something good going, always interesting.

I been okay, you?

When we traded for Murray, it crushed me.
Didn't want him but I'll admit hes played well when healthy but I think at this point LTIRetire has to be real for him, next year.</div></div>

Exactly, no point in trying to reason with the unreasonable.

I'll pop on when I can but same I'll read and b4 I go to respond I realize it's not worth wasting my time if said poster isn't willing to have a discussion.

Heck yeah they do and I overwhelmed <a href="/users/onex" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@onex</a> but was more just trying to catch up lol. Do you guys still like baseball and the blue jays? If so and you want some great content lemme know.

I've been alright just trying to balance life lol.

I was the opposite on Murray because I wanted the Leafs to get him years ago, but I'd be lying if I didn't say part of me was worried with all the injuies.

The only certainty I see at this point in time with the roster is Murray not being back, either he accepts a trade wherever (I'm thinking the Marazek deal as a comp of what this FO would pay to move him) or bought out and take the $2mill caphit next year. I'd project the cap to at least rise by $2mill next year so it would essentially be a flat cap for the leafs.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafs11 avr. 2023 à 2 h 8
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs 2022 2023 Season Discussion (Part 5)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>I don't know what Keefe and Dubas are thinking with having Sammy in net with all the awkward saves and him bent over as if he's fighting off some pain. This is playing with fire.

I agree with Random about playing the EBUG if the league won't allow the emergency callup of Will or Kallgren.

Hey Sign_em_up000000 what do think?
Join in on the interesting Leafs discussion.</div></div>

I was just on here going through the pages. Sammy was outstanding tonight. Thought the leafs played good but the d hung sammy out to dry.

This is great discussion on here with a wide range of topics! Thanks to you and Random for letting me know!

Id love to get your take on what will happen if we don't get out of the first round again. Will dubas be let go and/or any other FO members? What about the coaching staff and what do you think of keefe? What about players, who stays and who goes? How much turnover comes and do you think any of the big 4 get moved? Do you think O'Rielly is back? And what does Sammy's next contract look like or do they go in a different direction if he struggles in the playoffs? Fo you think Keefe can bring this team to a Stanley cup?
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 22 h 20
Sujet: looking ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rob32sjsharks</b></div><div>At first I Hated Griers moves! But to be fair I was use to 17 years of Doug Wilson so the transition at first was hard. But as I see the pieces he got start to evolve and the logic behind the moves you can’t help but think positive.
Thurn for a 3rd already looks like a steal 5 games in.
Petersen for Reedy was a fleecing so far and he could be the sharks next Barabanov.
I hated the Meier trade but it’s going to wind up being 2 1sts and Mukhamadulin 7 points in his first 8 AHL games might be the best sharks D prospect in a long long time.
Moving Burns was good for the player and showed the sharks and Grier are player friendly and will look out for their guys and that makes coming here more appealing to FA! Sturm was a good pickup and so was Benning.
Nutivaara and Lindblom have been stinkers but both had the talent to be good pieces, just never put it together and jury is out on Kunin but 3rd round picks only make the NHL about 15/20% of the time and only about 5-10% ever become impact players so the risk vs the reward is there.

As for Edmonton and Karlsson even with 3.5 mil retention and Campbell coming back it’s going to be very hard to fit Karlsson under the cap and still fill the holes on the team. It might happen but I will be curious to see how!</div></div>

I get it and Doug Wilson did a great job for a long time. One of the reasons San Jose is my 2nd favorite team is because of him, he put together some really good teams over the years and brought in really good players while always having like $6mill in cap space. I grew up watching Jumbo Joe n little Joe, PM, Nabokov, Nolan, Vlasic (in his prime he was a beast), Blake, Campbell, Burnes (I remember the trade like it happened yesterday and my initial thought was what a steal) same with the Toskla trade and getting Couture with our 1st amongst so many more reasons I fell in love with the sharks as a kid. I agree Grier is doing a good job and he seems like an out of the box thinker which this league needs more of. Personally, I liked the NJD deal and didn't get all the media hate, I thought Grier made out pretty good considering the situation. It's never going to seem like enough for a player Meier unless it's other top end players heading back like in the CGY-Panthers deal.

I realize I can be out to lunch on this but given the flat cap = not as big of a trade market as otherwise would be and the Oilers interest + needing to rid themselves of bad contracts + McDavid &amp; Draisaitl in their primes and Holland under pressure to show them the FO is as serious about winning as they are. I think Grier may have to retain but would rather take on contracts because there's a greater chance they could be flipped for more down the road. It wouldn't just be Campbell but I think he'll be part of it. EDM needs to move more money so I'd think some combination of Yamamoto, Foegele, Ceci &amp; Kulak could be involved for financial purposes, but obviously none of them would be a centerpiece and the sharks could add to make it a bigger deal but I'd think at least 2 1st's plus at least 1 top prospect/young roster player heading to Northern California. It all comes down to finding common ground between the two sides and making the $ work but I think some of the pieces I mentioned could/would be in play.

All that said I live in Southern Ontario so our coverage of the sharks isn't as extensive as yours so my thinking could be way off here.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 21 h 9
Sujet: Goalie Overlode
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>People just dismiss the point about Arizona being a clown organization just because that's where Matthew's home town is. The fact that he loves the spotlight is just ignored plus Arizona is nowhere near contending makes a move there a non starter.

NYR might be a real possibility drop on what they do.</div></div>

I agree but I wouldn't lump <a href="/users/oldNYIfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@oldNYIfan</a> in with them. The only way Matthews would go to zona is later on in his career if he wanted to retire there but certainly not anytime soon. They haven't even broken ground on a new arena and now the city of Phoenix is sueing the city of Tempe and there's a counter suite. There's no way AM34 is going to play in a collage arena because even if he went home he wouldn't have an impact on saving the franchise without an actual NHL arena.

The coyotes are Betman's baby and as long as he's incharge they won't be going anywhere unfortunately. I'm not sure why there's not more pushback from the owners as this team hasn't been profitable in it's entire existence and more so it hemorrhages money every year. Last I checked the driving factor behind business is to make money not cost yourself money especially when there's an easy fix... Relocation!!!

IMO in this hypothetical scenario NYR are the only team that makes any sense if Matthew's wants to be in the spotlight as we've been told. If he wants to be closer to home than L.A, Vegas &amp; Dallas all make sense but, I think 34 is genuine when he says he's happy in Toronto and playing for the Leafs and why wouldn't he be? Plus, he loves playing with Marner and pretty sure he also plays for the Leafs.

Edit: also forgot to add that Matthew's makes more in endorsement deals in Toronto than he would in any of the other market's mentioned.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 18 h 54
Sujet: looking ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rob32sjsharks</b></div><div>Trading Karlsson most likely happens this off-season.
When Edmonton traded for Elkholm kinda felt that was the end to their interest but we will see.

With Karlsson gone it is pretty much scorched earth, but with a very good draft in 23 &amp; 24 plus the job Mike Grier has done revamping the D and if we can find a goalie of the future sharks should be a better team on the rise by 24/25 and a playoff team by 25/26 but it all depends on how we spend the cap space we will have in 24/25 and how we draft combined with how the current prospects mature and move forward.</div></div>

I kinda see it differently, I think bringing in Ekholm will make the Oilers persue Karlsson even more to put them together as their top pairing next year. I think Campbell's contract will be part of it rather than retention from the sharks Edmonton will have to pay more to dump his contract in the deal. Edmonton can't afford to have Campell on the roster next year after the way things went this year and with McDavid in his prime and trying to win now.

I think Hertl and Couture can still be kept to help transition the youngsters as they come up through the system. Same with Vlasic just to a much lesser extent. Also agree Grier has done a good job so far, I like how he thinks outside the box.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 18 h 43
Sujet: Goalie Overlode
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>IF he doesn't re-up with Toronto, Los Angeles is a possible destination. I've done a 2024-2025 mockup and we can afford to pay him $15 million with minor stress. Without much to prove on a performance basis, I think that there are three motivating factors which might affect his decision: (1) the possibility of breaking new ground in an undersold market, his home town -- Arizona; (2) the legitimate chance at a Stanley Cup with a would-be contender on the rise -- Los Angeles -- or a contender to repeat -- Colorado; and (3) the appeal of money plus on-ice success in low-tax jurisdictions -- Las Vegas or Tampa.

I have no insight other than speculation.</div></div>

I agree LA would make sense as would Vegas and Dallas IMO but no way he goes to zona now, maybe later on in his career but not now. My hometown OHL team sells more tickets and has a bigger arena than zona. Colarado doesn't make sense either IMO because there's already too much financial commitments there and I think they are content with their core and wouldn't want to break it up to bring in Matthew's, however I could very well be wrong as this is just my opinion. Personally I think he extends here and I don't think the tax situation is as bad as most think with currency exchange rate vs cost of living and being paid in signing bonuses to avoid paying as much into taxes.

Same here and you make valid points.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 18 h 21
Sujet: looking ahead
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rob32sjsharks</b></div><div>No I get it but after 20 year of success and the effect of trading and signing Karlsson put this team in a bad position. It’s going to take some time to rebuild.
Taking Murray on isn’t a bad idea but there might be other teams with cap dumps who might offer more to take on their problems so unless the pick moves up to a 2nd I would just wait.</div></div>

I agree I think other teams make more sense. I liked the trade but not so much the extension. I think he'll be an oiler next year though, what do you think? Normally I lean more towards the scorched earth approch but I think the sharks can retool because there's still good pieces there.

I'd just like to say I've enjoyed this conversation, it's nice to know there's more reasonable ppl on here who can have an actual conversation rather than the usual toxicity that's spewed on here.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 57
Sujet: Goalie Overlode
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>The Matthews trades are mostly people of other fan bases hate posting ACGM's to make the Leafs worse in future years.

I'm not claiming AM34 stays or goes but I'm also realistic about where he may go if he chooses to leave Toronto. Arizona is the last place he's heading to in terms of places to play. It's a joke of an organization playing their team out a 5K seat arena, enough said.

AM34 enjoys being in the spotlight and if someone says he's headed to NYR or LA to play for either of those teams, I don't have a response to that other than good luck Auston.</div></div>

That's what I figured just didn't know if I missed something.

Same here but personally I think he stays. I've heard some claiming he wants to play in the spotlight as well, but last time I checked Toronto, Montreal &amp; New York are the 3 biggest markets in the league. Also, I don't buy into taxes being an issue as its essentially balanced out by the exchange rate vs cost of living. These players have ways around paying as much taxes as most think especially if they get paid in signing bonuses.

Couldn't agree more, there's less than zero % chance he goes to zona. The OHL'S Hamilton bulldogs literally draw bigger crowds. But L.A. isn't a big market Doughty has publicly spoken about ut in TSN and Sportsnet. <a href="/users/oldNYIfan" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@oldNYIfan</a> can speak on this better but I have to assume LA is a Lakers town first and foremost then the Dodgers then the rams/chargers then either the kings, clippers or Galaxy not sure of the order but I'd think the clippers would be the bigger draw.

If he infact won't sign though I can't see him making it to FA. Personally I can't wait until he signs in the offseason so we can put this to rest.
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 22
Sujet: Goalie Overlode
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oneX</b></div><div>Yo!
Great to see you posting again. I'm okay, nervous about the Leafs again for the playoffs but what else is new LoL.</div></div>

Same, always enjoy taking with you and <a href="/users/Trickster" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Trickster</a> and his ACGM'S. Kinda stopped coming on here because it's not worth trying to rationalize with unrational ppl who undervalue leafs players because of the team and fanbase they represent.

Same here but less so than in recent years because if we can't make it out of the 1st round again change is needed.

What's with everyone trading Matthew's? Last I heard him talk about signing here before the season started he said he couldn't sign at the time and he liked being a leaf. Did I miss something or is this because of the Tkachuk situation?

I'm more nervous about the Blue Jay's pitching than the leafs in the playoffs lol
Forum: Armchair-GM10 avr. 2023 à 16 h 10
Sujet: Goalie Overlode
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Trickster</b></div><div>Some wild ideas of trading Liljergen and Woll.

I can't lie, I like those two.
I gotta ask, why are interested in moving them?</div></div>

How goes it? It's been a while... How's <a href="/users/onex" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@onex</a> been?

My thoughts exactly, however, he did answer why he's moving Lilly in this instance (this would be based on Keefe not trusting him in the playoffs).

There was a time when I would have been willing to give up Marner for Heart but now his value is at an all time low and in this instance we are giving up too much for him. I also, wouldn't bring him to Toronto at this point because I don't think he'd be able to handle the pressure if/when things go bad.