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Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 17 h 16
Sujet: Fixing Franciss Mess
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Grapevine</b></div><div>Francis has been outstanding this offseason. What mess?</div></div>

Their obsession with committing big money to older UFA's who's windows don't align with the teams window. They can't UFA spend their way to a Cup contender and they don't have the pieces in place to do so before all these players are past their primes. I can understand having NHL vets around to support the high end young drafted talent coming in but SEA has went overboard.

So all of these moves are trying to take the older win now pieces and translate them into younger assets that better align with the team that they should be building around the draft while better accomplishing the goals above.

There is likely a lot of refinement to be done here but for a first rough glance thats the idea.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 13 h 20
Sujet: Big Time Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Lundell has the makeup of a future 1C, what hes done since his draft year puts him on an elite two way 1C trajectory. The price to acquire him would be so excessive that it's not worth it for any team to trade for him. He also has 2 ELC years left. Also Florida's core is still relatively young. Barkov, Tkachuk, Lundell, Ekblad, Verhaeghe, Knight are all under 30. They need 1 top 4 caliber D and they should be set to contend.</div></div>

I'm a huge fan of Lundell. In a 3c role surrounded by talented players he excelled. I think he showed so well that I think if a team played him up in the lineup as a 2c surrounded by more talent he could find success there as well.

Pretending he is a 1c however is simply showing massive bias on your part, and pretending FLA is anything but in absolute win now mode is silly, even if some of their players are young.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 13 h 13
Sujet: Big Time Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Bennett played well away from Huberdeau in terms of driving play, his production is definitely going to fall off a bit without Huberdeau - but his contract is still very good for what he brings. His value will never be higher but he might be too important to the panthers</div></div>

Imo Bennett is a gritty 3c who had such good chemistry with elite wingers they were able to elevate him to a 2c. Now that they are gone, and there isn't a good replacement I think his game is going to drop off quite substantially. However I do think there is a window where FLA could get some team to buy high on him before that happens, thusly making it an ideal time to move him if you can find a right deal.

If you want to take the risk that based on a small sample size he still is a primary play diver then you could keep him (the SEA deal is more of a swap more or less) but if you are wrong you will be stuck with him and have one fewer option when it comes to improving the team
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 13 h 8
Sujet: Big Time Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Anus_McLeod</b></div><div>Toews will be 30 when his next deal kicks in, and he may be looking for big money. Roster building requires tradeoffs. Girard will be in his mid-20s at the same time and under contract.

Obviously who they move (if anyone) will depend on numerous factors that are up in the air, one of which being the potential need for a 2C. Long story short, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the possibility that the team moves Toews. I think they'd rather trade Manson after two years, but that wouldn't bring the same return.</div></div>

Again I think its fan foolishness. Worrying about his 'next deal' is an entirely irrelevant and nothing but fans worrying about their own fears. Anyone who makes decisions based on it doesn't have an opinion worth listening too.

Colorado is a team in total win now mode. Their window is the next 4ish years, the long term is irrelevant, all that matters is the now. They have a top 5 dman signed for cheap for 2 years and they have legitimate cap issues. With the utmost respect, anyone who thinks they would ever move him is a fool
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 13 h 4
Sujet: Big Time Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockey91</b></div><div>Lundell has more value than girard. If they wouldn’t trade him for chychrun then he’s definitely not going for girard.</div></div>

So a few things here.

1) I don't agree that Lundell has more value than Girard, I think thats just fan bias. Its similar at worst.
2) The issue with Chychrun is that ARZ wants A LOT for him and ideally would have mostly wanted a boat load of futures. I DO think he is who FLA should have gotten with the assets they wasted on the rentals at the TDL, but IF ARZ was open to a 1 for 1 swap I think that would also be a valid choice. That said I think Girard has the better contract, doesn't have the same injury concerns, and personally I think he is likely also the better player but that would depend on how you value a few things. I also think Lundell holds more value to COL than he would to ARZ.
3) The point of this thread is that FLA is trying to win now. They have no futures at this point and their team isn't getting cheaper. So while fans love to overhype young players, I think trading players who's value is more in what they could be, rather than what they are right now is the correct path, especially when they are in roles that are very easy to replace and aren't as vital to overall success (like 3c and back up goalie)
4) FLA has 4 top 6 centers and DESPERATELY needs defensive help. Barkov isn't moving and I don't personally think Bennett holds much value, certainly not enough to get back a high end Dman. So that leaves your options as trading Reinhart who is a bit more expensive but a better player right now and flexible in where he can play, or Lundell who is cheaper and you would have to hope would grow into his prime. Considering FLA has no futures, and wingers hold 0 value atm this is the obvious path to fixing this issue.

Ultimately when you trade any player of value there will be fans that don't agree, especially on a team like FLA where each has valid pro's and cons. However the team is in a really difficult place after the last 3 trades the team has went with. Until they seriously fix their defense I don't think they can win, and they also don't have a lot of time to do so. The only way I see FLA building a contender is by making very bold moves imo
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 12 h 50
Sujet: Big Time Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Db1899</b></div><div>Florida wouldn’t probably accept the ducks and Edmonton trades , don’t think there’s a chance they would do the the Avs /kraken trades</div></div>

The Ana trade is the one I think is the most fun. There is one involving swapping Bob for Gru which is kind of neat as well but has other risks.

EDM trade is pretty standard, nothing too crazy to talk about there.

I REALLY think FLA needs to move on from Bennett asap while his value is high because I think he is going to fall off hard now that Hubby isn't carrying him, but finding a spot is tricky. Now that SEA has Wright/Berniers and just signed McCann I think a swap getting Gourde who is more of a win now player makes sense for both sides. SEA gets a player with a bit more grit who fits their timeline and FLA gets a center who can actually carry a line and gives them a lot of options being able to play all 3 positions
Forum: Armchair-GM27 juill. 2022 à 12 h 42
Sujet: Big Time Changes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Anus_McLeod</b></div><div>I posted a Toews (with extension) for Lundell trade that would happen after the year, so I'm on board with your logic there. I'm not sure either team does it now, but the premise makes sense. I think both teams give up something they don't want to lose but also address an area of need.</div></div>

I don't think Col trades Toews under any circumstance ever. I think thats just fan foolishness personally.

Most trades are teams trading from a position of depth to fill a position of need and this is simply that.

You will find varying thoughts but I personally think that the defense is a big BIG problem now that Weegar is gone and I think its a good opportunity to buy a little low on a dman like Girard, especially looking at the alternatives like Chychrun who Fla likely doesn't have the assets for anymore but should have gotten instead of wasting so many assets on futures the past few months.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 juill. 2022 à 0 h 36
Sujet: Bo Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Prime_Jimbo</b></div><div>You're right there would be a ton of interest. Bo fills a big need for them where Kadri is too expensive. Another year as cup favorites might be too much to pass on.

Florida is definitely an undervalue on the outgoing pieces and Hornqvist return.

Hard to envision Pearson getting moved with the cap space issues you mentioned. Canucks aren't as desperate as Vegas to shed cap (no need this year). Pearson could fill a role on third line that Stastny left for the Jets.</div></div>

A rental is a rental. Some teams like FLA clearly didn't mind it and others like COL simply don't go for them because its one of the fastest ways to close a window. I think Bo could get that value from a team that could resign him, but not that value from a team that couldn't.

WPG is its own mess, so that aside I think with current philosophies in the NHL contract wise and the current state of the league Pearson is just ever so slightly below neutral value. I'd be equally surprised if a team took him for free than if he passed though waivers all together, which kind of seems crazy but I think thats just the state of the league atm. Just look at all the RFA's who were flat out let go for similar reasons