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Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 18 h 34
Sujet: Leaf trolls here is the only way to get rid of Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>So in one message you say "do I know what is going thru Marner's mind" but in this message you are allowed to state you know what's going thru Dubas and Trev minds.

weird.</div></div>

What part of that statement did I say anything about knowing what's going through either of their minds? Literally all of your statements speak in absolutes. That implies you know exactly what Marner is thinking. None of mine speak in absolutes, that means I am using logic to infer what is probably going on.

On top of that the only thing in that post that could remotely be considered me inserting my opinion is that Dubas would have changed something in the core 4. But considering he got fired because he went above Shanahan and asked for more power in the Org that is a fair guess. Me stating Treliving will want to rework the the lineup how he wants is me saying Treliving will attempt to do his freaking job, which is build a winning roster
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 18 h 25
Sujet: Leaf trolls here is the only way to get rid of Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>That's his right with the NMC. Treliving can ask, and Marner can refuse. Also, thinking the Leafs are going to power play Marner will just alienate other players, like Matthews to signing there. These decisions aren't made in a vacuum like fans would like to believe. Treliving goes out of his way to get Marner to waive him NMC isn't going to be met with enthusiasm from other players.</div></div>

It is his right. I am not debating that. My scenario is not Leafs management forcing Marner to waive somewhere, it's Marner holding the team hostage by refusing to lower his contract demands and also refusing to waive anywhere. The Leafs aren't going to strongarm him into waiving. They will approach the situation openly but they aren't going to cave on contract negotiations on a guy who has no-showed every year when it counts. They will simply present him with options.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 18 h 17
Sujet: Which team would Marner be a fit for
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StDetroitBlueWings</b></div><div>Blues are a tight run ship with this kind of stuff. We have never had that "star player" mentality. At least not under Army. That Meier contract was a mistake and I am willing to bet NJ wishes it were less. Plus the Blues are in a retool and do not intend on rushing it. Lastly, Buch plus other assets would maybe work, but not Binner, He's a Vezina caliber goalie that most likely will be here through the retool unless it's in a move that benefits the long term growth filling holes. Blues don't really need another winger with the likes of Bolduc, Snuggy, Kryrou, Buch and Neighbours already in the plans in the top 6.

Just don't see a Blues/Marner fit there contrary to your belief. Plus Marner doesn't play Blues hockey. Everyone saw the hate Kyrou was getting when he was playing soft. Got better throughout the year. Marner is even worse in that regard and would be hated by Blues fans. And if he has that "I'm a star so I play how I want" mentality, I, and I'm sure most Blues fans, don't want that around this team. Kyrou can be a headache at times, but he's at least improving in that aspect. From what I've seen (and clearly Toronto fans if they're constantly trying to trade him away) is he is soft as 10-ply and doesn't seem to care about playing physical when it matters

All view points are different. From the Blues perspective, we won't want Marner. Whether it's the asking price in a trade, his contract demands, nor the way he plays. Just simply not a fit</div></div>

I doubt Florida fans saw Tkachuk as a fit because they had Huberdeau, until rumors started getting out. If we see that he's willing to waive to STL there will absolutely be a conversation. They are a team trying to move back into contention so there is absolutely a logical fit
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 18 h 14
Sujet: Leaf trolls here is the only way to get rid of Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div><strong>Now a good team organization would kill all the negative media on day 1 after the Leafs loss.</strong>

This isn't Marner's first time, you forget the back to back 0 goal playoffs, or years ago when Nylander was the biggest scapegoat for being a heartless playoff floater.</div></div>

LMAO what? Keefe jumped on the grenade the other day but Marner's play ever year in the playoffs has been borderline non-existent. You can't stop the media from talking about it, you can only attempt to redirect the rage.

Last year they got rid of Dubas, had they not done that one of the core 4 almost certainly would have been traded. But Tre just arrived and was told to make their current roster a contender with a bag of spare change. This year Tre will get his chance to rework the lineup how he wants.

But sure keep bashing your head against the wall hoping for different results. At the end of the day the Leafs aren't my favorite team, they are simply my local team, so I really don't care
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 17 h 55
Sujet: Leaf trolls here is the only way to get rid of Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>draft_em_sign_em_trade_em</b></div><div>And with fans/media/team mates/management are making it obvious that Marner is not in the Leafs long term plans, any team that desires him can and will wait until July 1st 2025, unless Marner gets a cash dump trade with zero value.

Viewing another ACGM who tried to gauge other teams situation on fitting Marner, the LA Kings is the only team I believe would make Marner say yes. Because Marner loves Hollywood and the AllStar fame and attention.</div></div>

You're right because teams always wait until July 1st the following year. Tkachuk could have easily signed his QO and walked to wherever he wanted, Same with Dubois, DeBrincat, and Meier. Why would New York trade for Bo Horvat when Vancouver clearly wasn't going to extend him?

If a team wants to compete next year and think that Marner can help as long as he's out of the cancerous Toronto spotlight (which is almost certainly what teams believe) then they will take the initiative.

Completely disagree with you on where Marner would waive here. Maybe yes he would waive to LA, but that's almost certainly not the only team. I would not be remotely surprised if the media and fans don't get to him this summer and he just wants out of it.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 17 h 43
Sujet: Which team would Marner be a fit for
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>StDetroitBlueWings</b></div><div>Probably move the Blues down a tier for a few reasons

1) Blues value an overall balance in players, not just one 'star' player carrying the load
2) Blues wouldn't want to pay him 10+mil that he will probably be looking for. The Thomas/Kyrou contracts should be the benchmark of the most AAV for a few years at least
3) The asking price would be too high. Parayko certainly isn't available. Neither is Neighbours. Buch is a maybe there but we would love to resign him at a reasonable AAV.
4) If the Blues really wanted Marner, we'd just take the change on signing him as a UFA if he just walks from Toronto and no one ponies up the insane asking price</div></div>

1) Making that argument is pretty flawed when you miss the playoffs, clearly they need to improve their roster
2) Sure but Devils fans tried to make the same argument about Hughes as the benchmark then they gave Meier 8.8M
3) Is the asking price too high? I imagine a package around Buch + Binnington is within reason
4) He almost certainly won't make it to UFA. As posted above there are more than enough fits out there and if he tries to hold the Leafs hostage with his NTC then it will destroy his reputation
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 17 h 31
Sujet: Leaf trolls here is the only way to get rid of Marner
Ok lets run the scenario

Shanahan gets fired (obviously, new CEO at MLSE)
Keefe gets fired
Tre essentially gains full control of the roster this offseason

&gt; Tre calls in Marner and his agent in to discuss options
&gt; Tre starts by gauging what Marner will want on his next contract if they were to extend him, Marner says something like 12M x 4 years.
&gt; Tre says I can't do that, the highest I'm willing to go is ~9.75M, proceeding to make his case on why.
&gt; Marner says that won't work, I'll get more as a free agent.
&gt; Tre says ok well then lets explore that option then. If you think you can get more elsewhere we can work on getting you that deal now. Is there anywhere you would be interested in waiving your NTC to play at.
&gt; Marner lists 3-5 teams.
&gt; After July 1st when names like Guentzel, Reinhart, etc are signed/extended, plus Marner's bonus is paid, Tre starts negotiating with those 3-5 teams
&gt; When he finds a deal he likes he gives that team permission to negotiate with Marner on an extension
&gt; A trade is made and all parties are happy