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Quoting: dgibb10

I like it.

What are you valuing Ziemmer at in that, because I’d be interested in hopping on as NJD

I'm no prospect guru, but he was selected in the 3rd round last year and he is currently rated as a mid-tier prospect (https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/los-angeles-kings/news/kings-drop-10-spots-in-athletics-prospect-pool-rankings), so I treated him as an early 3rd rounder. He has been playing well in the WHL for a few seasons now, so I could see why Kings fans might argue he should be considered higher, but as a novice I don't put too much stock into these guys' performance one way or the other until I see how they do in their 2nd season in the AHL.

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Not sure what NJD offer you as an equivalent prospect but I think NJD should definitely pay an early 3rd+ for a 1.7 mill georgiev

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i just dont think its worth too spend 2m on heinen. hes a great 3rd line player for the bruins but not worth more then 1.25-1.5 for them. hes very replaceable with how deep they are in 4th line talent and just keeping boqvist and signing him to a 1-2x 1m deal would just be better. its also not worth for the bruins to give up boqvist for nothing. Im not also convinced dillion is worth that much. 20 points at most for his career. hes 33 and i would project him to take another step back. would rather see the bruins look for another JVR type player on a 1 year deal like tyler Johnson or TJ brodie or hoffman, pacioretty, martinez, brendan smith, olofsson or even dumba. It would give someone a chance to try and be a valueable player again and would fill a gap for the year or with olofsson nd dumba someone they could package at the TDL for an add if theres someone they like (like taylor hall a few years ago) they have wotherspoon and a few D that edge NHL. they dont really have to spend any money just find a vet or 2 to take some icetime and fill games while they figure out were they value wotherspoon or if ian mitch can make the jump to be a 7th D.

edt: I dont mind the idea of the bruins or a few other teams that are a year or 2 away from actually being close to a cup take on some 1 year ret for a better return on some trades or even at the TDL take a few picks to eat some cap for other teams

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Quoting: dgibb10

Not sure what NJD offer you as an equivalent prospect but I think NJD should definitely pay an early 3rd+ for a 1.7 mill georgiev

If ACGM had a 3-way trade function, what I was initially thinking was that the 3rd coming from Boston to the Avs would come from another team, who would then get Georgiev retained. I'm more interested in prospects who are either further along or who are potentially only 2 years away, but certainly I'd take an early 3rd round pick this year. I am not sure which prospect applies in the Devil's system, but if you know of any you could make recommendations.

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I'm not specifically crazy for signing Heinen, but assuming DeBrusk walk and we let the kids have a shot, if none of them work out then we'll be playing someone like Geekie in the top 6 again. I'd rather have Heinen as 2 year insurance policy. If there is another guy out there who can fill the role of being defensively responsible and able to slot up into the top 6 and contribute ~15 goals at a cheaper price point, I am OK with that too, but I just don't want to push Geekie or Frederic up out of the 3rd line.

Whoever they sign on the left D needs to be physical and should PK. Ideally they should take some of the fighting duties from Frederic. They also need to be willing to take a short term deal (~2 years) and play 2nd or 3rd pairing. It doesn't have to be Dillon, but I think he fits those needs to a T. I don't think this player needs to produce a lot of offense, because we have two guys on the left who can help with that. There are definitely cheaper options than Dillon out there, but he is who I would target. Anyone more expensive than 3m per season doesn't really fit for me.

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Quoting: tupty

I understand the dillion point Im just not a fan of his and dont think he should be worth more then 2m to anyteam. He just doesnt fit what i see the bruins needing.
Heinen I just dont think u should value much. hes a solid player but hes always had a drop off anytime he leaves boston and geekie/frederic should be fine taking some top6 mins. I think if u lose JDB this would be the perfect year to start trying to get either of them in the top 6 to see if they can handle it. if they can then great if not then u can just rotate players. Theres guys like duclair, sprong mantha, tatar, barabanov, beauvillier arvidsson and olofsson who they should would be able to sign for 3-4m for 2-3 years and can easily play 3rd line and some top6 mins while u test out geekie and frederic in the top 6. I dont think they are in a win now but making the playoffs and being competitive while they let the young kids keep growing and making a cup window open in a few years is what they should be doing. esp if u get ritchie + another prospect for ullmark u resign sway long term.

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Solid moves. I think Lindholm's number will definitely be 8M+ though.

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Actually, the Kings need to strongly consider that move. It is a pretty low risk scenario to acquire a very solid goalie for 1.7M AAV for one year and based on his performance the Kings can decide whether to keep him after next season long term or if they decide to look for another option. I cannnot imagine that he fully disappoints, as he is a very good goalie. If teh Kings can implement forwards like Turcotte, Thomas, Lafferiere and ****emo, the loss of Ziemmer wouldn't be too tough although he is doing very very well.
The Kings could be glad to have a very good goalie for that amount of money and the Aves don't lose quality in net either.
I think the Kings would need to limit the amount of games of Georgiev to 55. Rittich showed that he can be a very solid back-up. I see that this could be working out well for all teams

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Avs decline very easily.

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Avs decline very easily.

Can you elaborate? Poor value on the trade? Disagree that goaltending would be improved? Bad fit?

Keeping your guys is certainly a safe play, but I am just not sure where Ritchie will fit in the next 3 years if (when) you all sign Mittelstadt. He might not even pan out.

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BOS fans turning into TML fans. Ulmark is not a Ritchie level replacement better than Georgiev. Easy easy easy no.

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Quoting: tupty

Considering the fact he has a 200ft game and is a center on elc he really easily fits at 3C or given that Nichushkin has probably played his last game and if he studs out you can move either him or Mittlestadt to the wing. On no planet is COL trading their top forward prospect whom fell in the draft because he played hurt all his draft year to marginally upgrade at goalie. I’m not going to say the kid is untouchable but get real, the upgrade from Georgiev to Ulmark who costs more isn’t a teams best prospect, nor are they kicking in a 1st. Ulmark is a pending UFA goalie (as is Georgiev) but that isn’t the super valuable commodity you think it is.

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BOS fans turning into TML fans

Now you are just being hurtful.

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Quoting: Xqb15a

I agree. That is why I retained on Ullmark (so he does not cost more) and sent a pick back the other way. If that 3rd round pick became a 2nd, how far off is it?

Also, I understand Ritchie produced, and he has done everything you could hope for from a late 1st rounder. I do not mean to belittle his production. But we usually don't know if guys will pan out until they hit the AHL level and still produce, that is all I meant by it.

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Quoting: Xqb15a

^ This! Basically it's the same as Calgary fans wanting him for Markstrom. Both want a good C prospect and think that Colorado is going to marginally upgrade at G to give them Ritchie.

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Quoting: TJTwolf

^ This! Basically it's the same as Calgary fans wanting him for Markstrom. Both want a good C prospect and think that Colorado is going to marginally upgrade at G to give them Ritchie.

To be honest, I thought Avs fans had a lot of question marks about Georgiev. I guess you all think he is still the right guy for the job in COL though. That is fine.

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You’re aren’t getting Ritchie in any Ulmark deal that’s straight not happening. Like what do you think teams are actually going to pay for a 30+ pending UFA goalie with a NMC? You aren’t going to get a 1st you definitely aren’t going to get a 1st +. Teams know Ulmark has to approve the deal and they already know he nixed one deal so who do you think is in control? Hint isn’t BOS, and thinking you are getting top assets back is super unrealistic.

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To be honest, I thought Avs fans had a lot of question marks about Georgiev. I guess you all think he is still the right guy for the job in COL though. That is fine.

So a guy that lead the league in wins and was arguably their best player against DAL? Did he not play great for stretches sure, but Ulmark isn’t the upgrade that your asking price seems to indicate.

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To be honest, I thought Avs fans had a lot of question marks about Georgiev. I guess you all think he is still the right guy for the job in COL though. That is fine.

Are there question marks? Sure, you could probably say that. But, he led the league in wins and bounced back mightily in the playoffs. It certainly wasn't on him that the Avs went out (nor were some of the horrible goals during the regular season, his D hung him out to dry on numerous occasions). Is Ullmark the answer? I would say absolutely not, and it's not that he isn't a good goalie or better than Georgiev (though by how big a margin is another point - it's not by a Cal Ritchie margin). An older goalie, soon to be UFA, as is Georgie, but who will probably demand a raise from his current salary (which makes retention irrelevant going forward, the Avs almost certainly can't afford to sign a goalie at 5 mil plus the following season......Georgie MIGHT still be affordable at about 5 mil per), and who holds basically all the cards in a trade destination scenario. I'm not even sure on that basis that I'd do Georgiev straight up, let alone add in Ritchie.

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Quoting: Xqb15a

BOS fans turning into TML fans. Ulmark is not a Ritchie level replacement better than Georgiev. Easy easy easy no.

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Now you are just being hurtful.

Yeah @Xqb15a, that was a little harsh!

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Quoting: TJTwolf

Yeah, this thread made me independently wonder what the Avs will do after this year if they stick with Georgiev, but that is a separate discussion for another day.

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Quoting: Xqb15a

I feel like there is a formula here. I ask an honest quesion about adding pieces around Ullmark to see how far off things are, and instead of telling me how far off I am you ignore the details of my question, tell me I am big dumb, and tell me that Ullmark has no trade value. I am not sure I have any more questions.

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Quoting: Xqb15a

He lead the league in wins because he played for a good team and played a lot. It’s purely a volume result. His stats suck. He was 63rd among 71 qualified goalies for GSAA and and QS% of .435

He is a backup caliber goalie on a good team. Starter for bad or desperate team. Ullmark is a significant upgrade.

Not sure it is Ritchie level upgrade but significant upgrade nonetheless.

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