Take out the first and Mesar and its a deal

Or I remove the 3rd from Habs

Habs won’t be willing to trade Mesar in return of a late 1st. Just doesn’t make sense at the moment. And Kakko is a good middle 6 defensive forward, Habs may be willing to give up a 2nd at most for him.

I’ve seen Kakko go for a 2nd + Barron (but I reduced it to 3rd & 4th)

Mesar probably a 1st and 4th

Either way it’s close enough

So take out your 1st and mesar. Not interested in that part of the trade

I disagree, I think that deal is fair, Barron = Kakko, the rest for Mesar. It has to be very close if it is not fair to begin with.

I never said it wasn’t fair. Just don’t see the point in trading Mesar for a late 1st at this point in time. At that point just have him develop and see what happens

I would do the Detroit deal.

Rangers need Mesar (RW) probably for the 2025-26 season because they will have minimal cap space after paying Igor, Laffy and KAM

All their good prospects are LW. So that’s why I’m trading for both a RW and RHD (hopefully moving Trouba)

It can be tweaked to make both teams happy. Maybe Kakko signs a short term deal as well to not worry about extending him

Rangers can add a late round pick or remove a Habs pick

I agree, But I dont see the Habs trading Mesar is all

The Trouba trade is awful. the Rangers already have no 2nd rounders for the next three years and no third rounders for the next two years. Yot trade proposal leaves the Rangers with one 4th rounder for 2024. Drury would never do this for that reason. As for me, I'd love to launch Jacob, but I would rather suffer through one more season with his contract OR make him available at the 24-25 trade deadline OR but him out at the end of 24-25 in the worst case.

As for Kappo, the buzz I've seen says that Kakko may be on the block and that the Canadiens may have some interest. Again, the draft pick exchange gives me pause regarding the particulars of your trade proposal. Kappo was a 1st round # 2 2019 draft pick who has fizzled. Kappo's plus side is that he is strong on the pus. His productivity is a minus, and his durability can also be questioned.

KAPPO KAKKO
Career
Season Team GP G A Pts +/- PIM Hits Blk PPG PPA SHG SHA GWG S S% FOW FOL FO% TOI
2019-20 NYR 66 10 13 23 -26 14 20 11 2 11 0 0 3 109 9.2 2 4 33.3 14:17
2020-21 NYR 48 9 8 17 3 10 14 16 2 1 0 0 0 81 11.1 3 4 42.9 14:21
2021-22 NYR 43 7 11 18 9 10 8 15 1 1 0 0 2 62 11.3 1 6 14.3 15:27
2022-23 NYR 82 18 22 40 12 8 26 27 0 3 0 0 2 125 14.4 1 3 25.0 15:18
2023-24 NYR 61 13 6 19 6 24 26 18 1 0 0 0 2 91 14.3 13 10 56.5 13:17

Total - 300 57 60 117 4 66 94 87 6 16 0 0 9 468 12.2 20 27 42.6 14:32

PRODUCTIVITY

Goals per 82 games = 15.58 - Assist per 82 games = 16.44 - Points per 82 games = 32.02

DURABILITY

300 games played vs. 410 games in 5 seasons = 60 games played per season.

Bottom line:

Kappo is a 3rd line RW producing 32 points per season. In my book that rates a 4th rounder, maybe a 3rd rounder.

The rangers can’t afford Trouba’s $4m buy-out hit when they need every penny to extend Igor, Laffy and KAM. Trouba has no value and needs to be retained to be traded

I’ve seen fans trade Barron + 2nd for kakko, except I lowered it to a late 3rd & 4th. And I added the 1st to get a RW prospect which they badly need

Mesar and probably Barron will be spares at best. Not handing over a 1st & 2nd for them

The Ranger fans, as usual, are wildly optimistic re: Kakko. If Trouba can be moved great. But there are an awful lot of fans from many other places who are not fond of Jacob's elbows either.

see my response to Rags21!

They still need RW prospects and RHD defenseman in 2025-26 when Trouba and Kakko are likely gone and they have to spend $25m+ on Laffy, Igor and KAM

Detroit and Duck fans seem like they would take him for $2m retention

And Hab fans want Kakko. Why not try to get a RHD and RW using picks and Kakko

Re: Trouba. I'm good with that, and I have stated this on many occasions this past week!

Re: Kakko, I aware there is interest, in MTL, I just think your asking price is optimistic. But if someone wants to overpay, I'm not inclined to stop tem!

I mean my realistic take this off-season is that they run it back same group, different UFAs/AHL promotions

Possibly moved: Lindgren and/or Kakko

But essentially the same group

The Rangers will try to give it one more shot with this group, but I sense there will be several departures. Lindgren and Kakko are at the top of my list. Ryan is a tough call, my younger brother (God rest his soul) and I love "lunch bucket", "gimme the ball coach" type of warriors. But Ryan's is not a big guy, and he got banged around good in the conference final. It is this crash test dummy approach that makes him a less desirable long-term bet. Kakko has had 5 years to show his stuff and he has come up short. Therefore, the NYRs should get as much as they can while they can.

For Lindgren, I can tell if he had a bad year because of injuries + new system and will bounce back OR he’s starting to breakdown and not be as good anymore

I agree on Kakko. But at the same time, there’s only so much Kakko can do when he only plays 13 minutes a night with Mika and Kreider who aren’t that good at 5v5

Fair points, especially about Kappo's playing time. He might consistently get 40 points with a bit more ice time. The Rangers are RW poor at the top six. I know Laffy just had a great year in 23-24, but he eventually will be LW1 at his natural position in my view. The Rangers need topflight RWs, the sooner, the better.

Rangers having interest in Mesar makes sense, but I don't see MTL moving him for another RW...might as well see what they have with him first. And I still think he's an underappreciated prospect in MTLs system. All the "criticism" from his CHL performances are just from "stat watchers". I actually watched him a fair bit this past year, and I did a breakdown on his performance in the comments of another thread a while back: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/831251?post_id=4877059

For me Barron + some decent picks for Kakko makes sense. I wouldn't go any further with trying to acquire NYRs 1st, and certainly not for Mesar.

They need topflight RWs but they don’t have cap space

That’s the whole dilemma that I’ve been explaining to people. They don’t have the cap to go out and get a big name RW. They can create cap by getting rid of goodrow and Trouba, but then you have to keep in mind they need more cap space in 2025-26