Not sure you get a 1st and Holtz for Ullmark, a 5mil expiring UFA platoon goalie

I like Ullmark, but hes never been a number one goalie his entire career and has only played 40 games or more (49 being his high) 3 times in a 9 yr career. No one is giving up that amount for what hes been all his career - a platoon goalie.

Maybe a 3rd and Holtz is more realistic. Or a 1st and Kevin Bahl kind of thing

I like the moves, but Holtz should be given every chance to play higher up in lineup than 4th line, and I'd rather have a better 3rd pairing/7th than Peeke-Wotherspoon-Forbort

Seriously?
Look at the last 100 threads on these two teams and you'll see what has mutually been agreed on

I mean I’m mainly going off what others have listed. Doesn’t have to include a prospect, but the idea being holtz and a first is that NJ is desperate for a G1. I don’t think it’s unrealistic to see them try and be the highest bidder for the G1’s out there like Ullmark

I really think Ullmark will go in a package for the 2025 WPG 2nd round pick and a prospect like Graeme Clarke. I could write a thesis as to why I think this, but there’s a lot of stuff to read in my post history.

I doubt that it would take Holtz along with the 1st to get an Ullmark deal done. I can agree that an asset may be added to the 1st to get it over the goal line, but not one to the caliber of Holtz.

True, but its a stretch to say Ullmark is a 1G for all the reasons I've put before, and if Sarros is available then Ullmark doesn;t stand a chance. Theres alot of solid backup/platoon UFA options out there and while Ullmark weould be the best of that lot, hes not the best quality starting goalie that is available in trade. Ullmark isn;t a starting goalie and has no history of being a number one goalie.

But the market for goalies is quite small and theres alot of options out there. Ullmark as a platoon number one and a 5mil expiring guy does not have the value of a Sarros or maybe even a Markstrom. Theres only a few contenders who would stump up for a starter (Toronto and NJD come to mind), but if Sarros, Markstrom are available through trade as well as some similar options to Ullmark available in UFA, no one is paying that much for one year of Ullmark.

And while I like the addition of Beertuzzi and Holtz, I think you pass on Heinen and use that money to upgrade the 5-7th dmen.

Just my opinion though

The highest bidder. I urge you to go look at the cap friendly team pages for the teams you think will try to acquire Linus Ullmark. Most of them have traded away draft picks. They cannot hope to trade more of them without completely depleting their store of draft picks. No GM is going to be reckless trying to acquire Linus Ullmark (or anyone for that matter). Why should New Jersey offer you such a package when all they have to do is beat every other team that has already traded away their draft picks?

Truly how many teams are the Devils up against that also need a goalie, have the cap space, and would give anything close to Holtz AND a 1st is the question.

I edited the post for you guys. It doesn’t matter what the return is. The goal of the trade is to help a team in need of a goalie they want to run with.

Don’t care about the return. Needs to be a win/win for both sides so whatever that is it’s the goal

You can take Graeme Clarke’s RFA rights too in addition to the second round pick. Only the most irrational NJD fan would put up any fight here.

I like what you have here, only thing I’d add is even Ully hasn’t played a G1 starter role, he’s still been one of the better goalies in GSAx which you can overlook from a data standpoint and he’s got a 5mil cap hit.

I know NJ wanted Markstrom, and I think he’d be a good fit. Only question is the age, same with Ully too, although Markstrom is a bit older and has a higher cap hit at 6mil.

If that’s a more fit return that sure that works.

The only other reason I listed NJ here if that they want a goalie, and it seems like Ully wants to be closer to the East coast. Nevertheless, whatever the return is that NJ wants to pay is fine if that ends up happening. If not no big deal. Saros and Markstrom could still be targeted for them but i bet that would cost way more to acquire one of those goalies

I think both sides would be very happy with the trade of Graeme Clarke and a 2025 second round pick (have your pick, NJD has 2 of them). That’s probably less than Boston wants to receive and more than New Jersey would like to give up. It’s a perfect trade in other words.

People need to stop pretending that either side has superior leverage. My guess is if NJ made that offer and decided to play hardball that Ullmark gets traded to Detroit for Shai Buium and a 2024 2nd round pick, which frankly is probably my favorite probable package from a team needing a goalie.

Alex Holtz and a 2024 third is about even. If I were betting, I believe that would be closer to the NJD deal if it happens. If Ullmark is open to Ottawa with an extension, my belief is that’s where he is traded. It’s an open question, but Ottawa and Jersey both own top 10 picks and both have good young talent.

If the objective is to lose arguably the best option in goal because you are trying to squeeze Sweeney and pretend to be a tough negotiator, go ahead. You’ll likely lose. There is the perfect opportunity for a trade between these two teams if both GM’s are smart

The Devils need a goalie and the options on the open market aren’t in Ullmark’s class. Saros isn’t likely available and even if he is, you are talking about a different price point. I read the posts above and it’s as if Ullmark doesn’t have the best Goals Saved Above Expected / 60 over the past two years in the league or a Vezina. Boston has had two quality goaltenders. The description of platoon goaltender seems to fit Jake Allen and Kaapo Kapanen more than Linus Ullmark.

The Bruins need to trade him to secure another top 6 forward option in free agency or they are depending on Lysell and Heinen instead of resigning DeBrusk if they sign Lindholm. The irony is that probably is the more prudent approach from a cap mgmt perspective if they believe in Lysell’s talent (he did have a very good year in Providence)

There is NO cap crunch with pending teams that could trade for him. Most of the league has salary cap room, but some have less than others.

I could definitely see Ullmark getting shipped off more more or less than a first. It really just depends on how negotiations go with the team in question.

Even if we don’t get the best return for Ully, we will at least be able to use that 5mil on an offensive player like Bert or Debrusk which is key. We can’t go for another playoff run with a goalie like Ully on the bench, he deserves to play a role on another team and we need offense.

I’d love to see Lysell have a good camp and make the team, could definitely pass on Heinen if we think either him or Merk will make the team.

What happens when Detroit declines that offer and would rather hold onto Buium. Detroit has about $30M in money but has to get Seider and Raymond under contract. They also need to replace Gostisbehere and four forwards that played significant time for them this season. That money needs to be spent. If they wish to obtain Ullmark, they will need to ship off Ville Husso’s contract which has costs associated with it. It’s not that simple as send him to Detroit. You might think that package from Detroit is fair, but the cost to Detroit is greater because of the cost associated with finding a new place for Ville Husso. Not to mention, Detroit probably needs players on ELCs contributing now that Seider and Raymond are about to graduate to big boy contracts.

What happens when Ullmark is traded to another team and you are left trying to bid for Markstrom with Calgary knowing there isn’t another goaltender on the market that is good enough to lock in premium goaltending for your team?

Talk all you want, the risk of loss between you not getting Ullmark dwarfs us losing Clarke/2025 second.

I’m not going to pretend there is not some desire to trade Ullmark. The difference is I don’t believe that it’s going to be nearly that difficult. You are acting as if he’s a cap dump or the goalie situation around the league isn’t what it is.

Husso is on a one year contract and they have the cap room to deal with it for a year or maybe they could trade him to NJ where he’d be an upgrade.

I’ve seen some other trades involving Husso. Only way we could really make it work with shipping out Ully is getting Husso back at around 2mil for a backup position. Slight risk but if we’d get a good return on top of that, it could be potentially be better than what NJ wants to offer

The thing is NJ and Boston making a trade makes sense. I wouldn’t read too much into message board banter. The reality is none of us know what the teams are going to prioritize.

Even if Boston decides to wait and trade Ullmark at the trade deadline, it matters what you have in your roster before the playoffs. Things are rarely black and white.

There are plenty of deals with Jersey that make sense as long as both sides work together to get a deal done.

Oh yea i definitely agree it makes more sense for us to facilitate a trade with NJ, it’s clear they want a goalie. They might not go for Ully, but we can accommodate a trade that allows us to bolster our offense, and them to bolster their goaltending

Markstrom has a finite contract. Once done the idea is one of the young guys is ready.

NEXT YR FOR INSTANCE
Markstrom 2yrs left and Allen 1 yr left

FOLLOWING YR
Markstrom UFA and Daws/Schmid/Poulter/Brennan/Malek

THIRD YEAR
Two of Daws/Schmid/Poulter/Brennan/Malek

Its the only reason I see Fitz so interested in Markstrom to begin with. Not a bad plan, but he's gonna need some solid D in front of him.
Saves us from moving Holtz, Our 10 OA this year, '25 1st

I like the lines, I’m in the same boat, between Debrusk and Bertuzzi I’d go with Bert. Heinen deserves to be extended too. Sign me up.

Yea I personally like the idea of going with Markstrom if I’m NJ but I wonder what Calgary wants in return for him after a pretty good year

It fell off after TDL. Some of that is the D was sold off, JM was hung out to dry, his GM F'd him over, etc. A 2nd round pick and call it a day. Work a deal for some retention and take what ya can. Holtz wasa a TDL piece, should not be any longer