The Sens would be dumb to reject that offer. That would be a huge prize for them getting a kid who will be a big time RHD and two young forwards

Tkachuk would have to come with an extension if the jackets are giving up that much. Could make sense if they draft levshunov. No chance stamkos signs with the jackets. Also dumais will need at least one year in Cleveland so they are better off not trading texier. Seems like rushing the rebuild which usually does not end well. This is how you end up in a situation like the sens or buffalo

Jeeez, love Brady but im taking that.

Dunno how many more times it needs to be said that Detroit doesn't need more depth forwards.

Detroit is losing 4 forwards this season to UFA. We only have 6 forwards under contract for next season, 10 if all of Raymond, Veleno, Berggren, Mazur make the roster.

This is a good deal for Detroit and should be accepted.

I mean, he's got 4 more years on his deal, I'm not sure an extension is necessary or makes sense for either side at that point. I think CBJ could hold on to him for a while and he either grows with this group and likes it here and extends after year 3, or if he doesn't want to stay at that point CBJ can sell him and still get phenomenal value for a 27/28-year-old elite scoring power forward which is always in high demand.

As much as I love Jiricek, I don't believe in Sillinger to be anything more than an average 3C, and Johnson still has huge question marks around his ability to compete at the NHL level, so while it's a risk, I'd take the known quantity in Tkachuk that gives you so much on and off the ice, and is young enough to still fit in and grow with this core.

Bigger question for me is: Is that too much for Stamkos?

All three pieces have great potential, none of it is yet to be realized. NHL math tells me one of either Johnson or Jiricek are going to turn out to be studs, but it's much less likely that both hit big. I'm personally of the opinion that Sillinger is what he is. He has decent skill and good work ethic, but I think his skating and game IQ limit him. Game IQ will probably grow, but I think that still cements him as an average or good 3C. I'd rather have a power forward who can pot 40.

Raymond, Veleno, Perron all likely to be re-signed. Kane possibly re-signed and if he's not, Berggren almost certainly is to be re-signed. Wouldn't be surprised if Fischer is as well. That makes 11 on the roster. Don't need to give up a third for a dime a dozen bottom 6 forward.

you see shiny you want to play with shiny, but shiny stuff is crap...

gee lets see a RD that his own team says he aint good enough to play in the NHL, a C that took a nose dive face first into cement production wise this year and a winger that had not improved in 3 seasons... OTT declines

Sillinger is basically an average 3C already and took a big step this year. His skating greatly improved and his faceoffs and PKing got better. You don’t think as a 20 year old he has any room left for improvement?

He's close to being an average 3C, but he still wasn't quite there this year. For him to be a desirable 3C IMO he still needs to be quite a bit better than what he was this year. Sure, he improved, because last year he was so damn awful it was almost impossible not to. Thats like saying Pascal was an improvement over Larson.

Yes, he's only 20, and he seems to be a hard worker like I said, so I do think he gets there, but I also think that is his ceiling: about 40 pts and a defensively responsible 3C. Those are a lot easier to acquire than elite scoring power forwards like Tkachuk. Sillinger is absolutely expendable in a bigger move, which I think they make this summer.



EDIT: 6 forwards x 32 teams = 192, 9 forwards x 32 teams + 288, so a third line forward would rank from 193-288, the median third liner would rank 240, I would call average 3rd liner being from around 230-250.

I just looked on Quant Hockey. In P/60, Sillinger was 272. That would place him firmly below average for a 3rd line center. His FO% was 46.3, which places him firmly below average, bordering on bad. His CF% and CF% rel place him squarely in the middle of the CBJ roster, which was one of the worst in the league. Again, I get that he's still 20 and has room for growth. I just believe his ceiling is a lot lower than some CBJ fans seems to think.

I'm just curious why Columbus would move on from Jiricek and Kent though. Kent seems like a top 6 talent and Jiricek a top pairing RD, is Brady worth that to Columbus?

Well, they both are promising, but I would say both have concerning warts and their growth stunted a bit this year. Johnson is very slight and his effort seems to be an issue. Jiricek's skating and defensive discipline seems to be a struggle, but I think he'll figure that out and turn into a good 2-3 dman. I don't think either one are a total slam dunk future all-star. Columbus also has Severson, whose contract won't be dealt, and Boqvist, who has shown a lot of promise. I think trading Boq over Jiricek is obviously preferable, but I don't think that's enough for OTT to say yes. CBJ also have Ceulemans coming down the line and could draft another RHD in the top-6 this year.

Brady is a legitimate star and a leader. OTT is fledgling and both teams could be looking for a big change with new GMs. CBJ have lots of middle of the lineup players, and to improve I believe they need to trade some of those for a top of the lineup player. Brady seems like an ideal target because he doesn't have a NMC, is still just 24, and has four more years on his contract. He fits with the core, and CBJ only sacrifice two young players. They still have a plethora of young talent to build around, including Fantilli, the Russians, Mateychuk and a top pick in the upcoming draft.

I think his ceiling is around an average two way 2C. Also his even strength P/60 he was 205 among forwards. Some notable names just ahead of him were: cirelli (188), zibenejad (195, hertl (191), slaf (203). Not bad for a 20 year old to have similar production as those guys. I wouldn’t mind moving him for the right piece that’s a pretty big overpay for tkachuck. You just left a gaping hole at RD of the future, hurt their center depth, and top 6 forward depth. Not to mention gave up 3 cost controlled players. Jackets aren’t one player away from making the playoffs. All this does is rush the rebuild and give them less cap flexibility

Fair enough. We can have different evaluations of him. I agree they aren't one player away, but I'm not making this trade in a vacuum. Stamkos is a big part of this ACGM too, as well as swapping Laine for Larson. I like Brindley, Dumais, China and March over Johnson, and I see Voronkov as a major upgrade over Sillinger. Boone can still play C if needed, and LDBB in Cleveland so the depth is fine.

I get they are trying to rebuild, but I don't believe the rebuild will be successful without veteran leadership around your young players to guide them, and as has been demonstrated in Columbus in the past, the young guys aren't eager to stick around if the team is not winning. This team is much more balanced now with up front scoring (and much needed PP help), along with all their youth in Fantilli, China, March, Vronk, Mateychuk, Brindley, Dumais, Svozil, Ceulemans, and their incoming top-6 pick, which could be another C or RD.

This is the type of proposal the Sens would be looking for. This will probably make it happen. Again my thoughts on Brady are he’s fed up, tired of losing (granted CBJ ain’t winning lol) he’s told Staois and Andy, it’s now or I want out. I also think the hiring of Green may have sped that up for BT. I don’t know if anyone who’s a fan of that hiring. Small sample size but it doesn’t look good. I agree Sens need a HC who will hold them accountable and work their asses off, but you can’t just ride these guys and expect them to buy in. It’s going to be another interesting season in Ottawa. My personal opinion, Devils really make a run for Brady. Could see CBJ doing so as well because they def have pieces.

Devils probably a more attractive landing spot, but a CBJ team with a real coach and Johnny Gaudreau on the other wing on his line has got to be pretty enticing, too. And Columbus can put together a better offer to Ottawa.

New Jersey would be attractive for Brady for a few reasons besides the actual team. His wife is from New Jersey, she’s having a baby right around beginning of the season (she’s gonna want/need help…family close by), obviously the Hughes connection and cousins w Fitz. But if BT does ask for a trade, Sens control everything…they don’t have to trade him to a destination of his choice. Columbus def has more to offer than NJ. I do think something happens, if not this summer than during the season unless Sens start winning