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4 sept. 2017 à 22 h 4

#451

rangersandislesfan

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Quoting: Icegirl

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

But you can't have a 2nd line centre be your best player that year ... Zetterberg plays for the red wings.

Picking Nielsen over Zetterberg for the ASG was a poor choice. Let's leave it at that.

picking Crosby was a big mistake, that's why he's a 4th liner.

4 sept. 2017 à 22 h 11

#452

DirtyDangles

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

So Bouwmeester is a bottom pairing D man and Nielsen is a 2/3C according to you. Give me a reason why.

I have said Bouw is a 2nd pairing D man in decline. Nielsen has NEVER been a 1C anywhere.

5 sept. 2017 à 13 h 19

#453

rangersandislesfan

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

So Bouwmeester is a bottom pairing D man and Nielsen is a 2/3C according to you. Give me a reason why.

I have said Bouw is a 2nd pairing D man in decline. Nielsen has NEVER been a 1C anywhere.

by 1st line centre i don't mean superstar, i mean a guy who is good enough to be your top centre.

5 sept. 2017 à 13 h 25

#454

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Travis Hamonic will more likely than not be traded soon ... last chance to make offers.

5 sept. 2017 à 13 h 43

#455

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Travis Hamonic will more likely than not be traded soon ... last chance to make offers.

Wanna respond to me?

5 sept. 2017 à 15 h 56

#456

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: boltscharge17

Nielson is not a #1 center

yeah, i know, a guy who was an all-star THIS YEAR is not a #1 centre.

We all know it should have been Z or Tatar.
The guy has only exceeded 50 points twice and is a 0.5 point per game player at best. Not to mention he's 33 and has an albatross contract. How does it make sense that I trade Drasiaitl for him?

5 sept. 2017 à 20 h 19

#457

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Quoting: boltscharge17

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

yeah, i know, a guy who was an all-star THIS YEAR is not a #1 centre.

We all know it should have been Z or Tatar.
The guy has only exceeded 50 points twice and is a 0.5 point per game player at best. Not to mention he's 33 and has an albatross contract. How does it make sense that I trade Drasiaitl for him?

you don't need to do the deal but just because he's not a point guy doesn't mean he's not a 1C, he's a great all-round player.

5 sept. 2017 à 20 h 35

#458

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: boltscharge17

We all know it should have been Z or Tatar.
The guy has only exceeded 50 points twice and is a 0.5 point per game player at best. Not to mention he's 33 and has an albatross contract. How does it make sense that I trade Drasiaitl for him?

you don't need to do the deal but just because he's not a point guy doesn't mean he's not a 1C, he's a great all-round player.

And he's on the decline

5 sept. 2017 à 20 h 40

#459

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Quoting: Bo53Horvat

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

you don't need to do the deal but just because he's not a point guy doesn't mean he's not a 1C, he's a great all-round player.

And he's on the decline

maybe he's getting older but he's a 1C right now.

5 sept. 2017 à 20 h 52

#460

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: Bo53Horvat

And he's on the decline

maybe he's getting older but he's a 1C right now.

The problem is the terminology everyone is using. When most people say #1 centre they mean a Crosby, Getslaf, Kopitar type player. The thing is, what is it they are really saying? A 1st line centre. Well technically any center who plays on his teams 1st line over the majority of the year is a 1st line center.

So who cares whose 1st, 2nd or 3rd line.....its how good and valuable the player is and Frans Nielsen by most ppl's standards is a decent 2nd line center on most teams but is getting old and declining. So he is technically a 1st line center but out of all the 1st line center's in the league right now, he may be one of the least valuable ones.

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6 sept. 2017 à 9 h 27

#461

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Quoting: F50marco

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

maybe he's getting older but he's a 1C right now.

The problem is the terminology everyone is using. When most people say #1 centre they mean a Crosby, Getslaf, Kopitar type player. The thing is, what is it they are really saying? A 1st line centre. Well technically any center who plays on his teams 1st line over the majority of the year is a 1st line center.

So who cares whose 1st, 2nd or 3rd line.....its how good and valuable the player is and Frans Nielsen by most ppl's standards is a decent 2nd line center on most teams but is getting old and declining. So he is technically a 1st line center but out of all the 1st line center's in the league right now, he may be one of the least valuable ones.

yes, he has less trade value because of his age but is still a 1C for sure as of right now.

6 sept. 2017 à 9 h 50

#462

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When literally everyone tells you he isn't a top C maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

6 sept. 2017 à 9 h 51

#463

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

When literally everyone tells you he isn't a top C maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

That is a valid point...

6 sept. 2017 à 9 h 53

#464

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

When literally everyone tells you he isn't a top C maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

Similar to Bozak being a 1C with Kessel ...lol

6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 13

#465

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Quoting: DirtyDangles

When literally everyone tells you he isn't a top C maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

nobody's given me much of a reason though ...

6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 32

#466

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: DirtyDangles

When literally everyone tells you he isn't a top C maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

nobody's given me much of a reason though ...

He doesn't score enough or intimidate the other team in any way. Opposition players don't wake up on game day and realize, "oh crap, we have to contain Neilson somehow tonight". Never cracked 60 points and whenever he came close, he was pp1 with Tavares. Several teams have better 2Cs with more scoring punch and physical game. Hence, he is a 2C on a team without a 1C.

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6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 40

#467

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Quoting: TrueNorth

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

nobody's given me much of a reason though ...

He doesn't score enough or intimidate the other team in any way. Opposition players don't wake up on game day and realize, "oh crap, we have to contain Neilson somehow tonight". Never cracked 60 points and whenever he came close, he was pp1 with Tavares. Several teams have better 2Cs with more scoring punch and physical game. Hence, he is a 2C on a team without a 1C.

Not trying to be mean but are you saying that just because he doesn't get 1C points that he isn't a 1C?

6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 45

#468

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: DirtyDangles

When literally everyone tells you he isn't a top C maybe you need to rethink your valuation.

nobody's given me much of a reason though ...

What do you mean we haven't given you reason? You're just not listening.

Just because you play on your teams top center line does not mean you are considered a top line center by league standards. By definition yes but not in terms of hockey terminology.

Yes Nielsen is on the teams top line center position but he is not good enough for that position on most teams. He's only there because there is no other better than him on the team. Means he's playing ahead of his true calibre.

Just like Greiss is not true #1 goalie. He is a starter by definition yes but against virtually any other starter goalie in the league he'd be a backup.

6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 48

#469

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Quoting: F50marco

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

nobody's given me much of a reason though ...

What do you mean we haven't given you reason? You're just not listening.

Just because you play on your teams top center line does not mean you are considered a top line center by league standards. By definition yes but not in terms of hockey terminology.

Yes Nielsen is on the teams top line center position but he is not good enough for that position on most teams. He's only there because there is no other better than him on the team. Means he's playing ahead of his true calibre.

Just like Greiss is not true #1 goalie. He is a starter by definition yes but against virtually any other starter goalie in the league he'd be a backup.

A better example would be how Justin Schultz is not a 3rd pairing d-man.
Greiss is also a #1 goalie, people look at his 'better than Lundqvist' numbers and go, 'yeah, he's not a starter'. Not saying he's better than Lundqvist but a .913 SV% is not backup numbers.

About Nielsen, not trying to be mean but you know it's not all about points, right?

Also this is getting off-topic.

6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 53

#470

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: TrueNorth

He doesn't score enough or intimidate the other team in any way. Opposition players don't wake up on game day and realize, "oh crap, we have to contain Neilson somehow tonight". Never cracked 60 points and whenever he came close, he was pp1 with Tavares. Several teams have better 2Cs with more scoring punch and physical game. Hence, he is a 2C on a team without a 1C.

Not trying to be mean but are you saying that just because he doesn't get 1C points that he isn't a 1C?

Not mean at all. I'm suggesting that if you play 79 games last year and are given pp1 minutes, you should score more than 41 points if you want to be considered anywhere near a 1C in the NHL. He finished tied for 154th in league scoring. Not even close to 1C expectations. But you may say, "TrueNorth, scoring isn't everything, look at Bergeron and Toews, they are 1C and don't lead their teams in scoring?". Neilson was -19 +- last season and a career - player. He loses more faceoffs than he's won over his illustrious 11 year career and he doesn't hit. I am unaware of a metric you could use to determine that this 33 year old has 1C potential in him.

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6 sept. 2017 à 10 h 54

#471

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Quoting: TrueNorth

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Not trying to be mean but are you saying that just because he doesn't get 1C points that he isn't a 1C?

Not mean at all. I'm suggesting that if you play 79 games last year and are given pp1 minutes, you should score more than 41 points if you want to be considered anywhere near a 1C in the NHL. He finished tied for 154th in league scoring. Not even close to 1C expectations. But you may say, "TrueNorth, scoring isn't everything, look at Bergeron and Toews, they are 1C and don't lead their teams in scoring?". Neilson was -19 +- last season and a career - player. He loses more faceoffs than he's won over his illustrious 11 year career and he doesn't hit. I am unaware of a metric you could use to determine that this 33 year old has 1C potential in him.

one of the things with Nielsen is that based on what i know he makes others around him better ...

but let's get back to the game.

6 sept. 2017 à 11 h 4

#472

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: TrueNorth

Not mean at all. I'm suggesting that if you play 79 games last year and are given pp1 minutes, you should score more than 41 points if you want to be considered anywhere near a 1C in the NHL. He finished tied for 154th in league scoring. Not even close to 1C expectations. But you may say, "TrueNorth, scoring isn't everything, look at Bergeron and Toews, they are 1C and don't lead their teams in scoring?". Neilson was -19 +- last season and a career - player. He loses more faceoffs than he's won over his illustrious 11 year career and he doesn't hit. I am unaware of a metric you could use to determine that this 33 year old has 1C potential in him.

one of the things with Nielsen is that based on what i know he makes others around him better ...

but let's get back to the game.

The only Detroit players that did better last year were Zetterberg, Mantha and Tatar who played together and away from Neilson. Nyquist and Larkin both did worse last year as Neilson's linemates. But who knows, maybe he was a shining light in off the ice intangibles.

6 sept. 2017 à 11 h 6

#473

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Quoting: TrueNorth

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

one of the things with Nielsen is that based on what i know he makes others around him better ...

but let's get back to the game.

The only Detroit players that did better last year were Zetterberg, Mantha and Tatar who played together and away from Neilson. Nyquist and Larkin both did worse last year as Neilson's linemates. But who knows, maybe he was a shining light in off the ice intangibles.

i mean, we don't really know so let's get back to the game.

6 sept. 2017 à 11 h 16

#474

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Quoting: rangersandislesfan

Quoting: F50marco

What do you mean we haven't given you reason? You're just not listening.

Just because you play on your teams top center line does not mean you are considered a top line center by league standards. By definition yes but not in terms of hockey terminology.

Yes Nielsen is on the teams top line center position but he is not good enough for that position on most teams. He's only there because there is no other better than him on the team. Means he's playing ahead of his true calibre.

Just like Greiss is not true #1 goalie. He is a starter by definition yes but against virtually any other starter goalie in the league he'd be a backup.

A better example would be how Justin Schultz is not a 3rd pairing d-man.
Greiss is also a #1 goalie, people look at his 'better than Lundqvist' numbers and go, 'yeah, he's not a starter'. Not saying he's better than Lundqvist but a .913 SV% is not backup numbers.

About Nielsen, not trying to be mean but you know it's not all about points, right?

Also this is getting off-topic.

Bravo sir, well played yet again.

I don't know how you do it but your ability to drag others into pointless debates in uncanny. We should charge people at this point.

I'm telling you guys....masterclass troll. The kind that never bends or waivers or breaks. Stays in character at all times. Takes on his alter ego. Becomes "one" with the troll.

applaud

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6 sept. 2017 à 11 h 42

#475

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Quoting: F50marco

Quoting: rangersandislesfan

A better example would be how Justin Schultz is not a 3rd pairing d-man.
Greiss is also a #1 goalie, people look at his 'better than Lundqvist' numbers and go, 'yeah, he's not a starter'. Not saying he's better than Lundqvist but a .913 SV% is not backup numbers.

About Nielsen, not trying to be mean but you know it's not all about points, right?

Also this is getting off-topic.

Bravo sir, well played yet again.

I don't know how you do it but your ability to drag others into pointless debates in uncanny. We should charge people at this point.

I'm telling you guys....masterclass troll. The kind that never bends or waivers or breaks. Stays in character at all times. Takes on his alter ego. Becomes "one" with the troll.

applaud

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