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LAK can have Markstrom

Toronto won't do that.
Tanev is probably looks for a contending team
No thanks on Graves and Duclair

The Flames would absolutely be contenders with this line up lol

Graves is underrated and can do it all. Duclair can still produce and is well acquainted with Huberdeau already

We can always move Tanev again if it doesn’t work out. Not sure what his actual interest level or the probability of him returning is though

1. Dunno about this one. I don't hate but I think I'd rather keep Duehr because he has speed and I believe he's a late bloomer who can still get better.
2. Good trade for both teams. Toronto gains a useful amount of cap space and gets a grittier defensively responsible depth forward who can play any forward position. Calgary gets a similar somewhat better but more expensive player to help insulate the young guys for a while.
3. I'd only take Graves if he comes with 20-25% retention. At his full cap hit his contract is 2-3 years too long to fit Calgary's needs.
4. Could be a lot of teams. Hopefully NOT NJ just so several obnoxious devils homers/trolls STHU for once.

winnipeg 2025 2nd+Conditional 2025 NJD 2nd that can become a 1st if Markstrom plays well, otherwise I'd rather go to ullmark

No they wouldn't, this team is worse than the team we had this season. Graves is on par with Zadorov, he's a decent #4/5 but not a top pairing guy by any means. Still no 1C, no one to replace replace Hanifin, and a strict downgrade in goaltending

Graves was a fine 1LD in NJD and would be the Hanifin replacement. Zadorov is nowhere near as good as Graves

Good luck finding a 1C. I’d rather see what Zary can do than sign Chandler Stephenson or bring back Sean Monahan

Markstrom had his moments this season otherwise sucked. I imagine Wolf, Vladar or Raanta could hold the fort down with this D-Corps

Graves was never the 1LD in NJD. That was Siegenthaler.

Both had identical playing time and Graves produced more. I like Graves more than Siegenthaler and I like him more than Marcus Pettersen too. Maybe if you still had Graves you’d have made the Playoffs this season?

Regardless Flames could use either Weegar or Graves as 1LD, who are both Physical & Gritty Flames type players

Siegs played slightly more, was better, and was on the listed top pairing.

Graves was getting outplayed by both Luke and Bahl by the time the playoffs rolled around

Siegenthaler and Graves both struggled this year. Adding Graves and his 4.5 million dollar salary only would have made the teams bottom 6 even more barren to start the year.

I have no problem with Graves at 3LD if/when Kylington or Poirier were to surpass him. I mean we were paying Zadorov $3.75mil to play 3LD and he wasn’t as good

I mean Alex Vlasic just got $4.6mil/yr ffs

I’m clearly a fan and high on Graves and his Size and Style of Play is all.

Oh I certainly think Graves should be a good target for Calgary. It's going to be tough to attract talent to play in calgary during a rebuild, and assuming they aren't on his NTC, I think he's better than anyone who'd be willing to sign in calgary for 4.5 mill.

Just saying he was not the 1LD in NJD

Vlasic is better than Graves imo

Graves never played 1LD, Siegenthaler has been that for a few years now. Graves was 5th in ATOI in New Jersey defensemen last year. Zadorov is absolutely on the same level as Graves.

That's the point, finding a 1C outside the draft is next to impossible. I am all for seeing what Zary can do but you are trying to contend as soon as next year.

Markstrom sucked? He was phenomenal this season, he is the sole reason we didn't finish bottom 5 in the league

C’mon Ledge, Sieges, Hughes essentially had equal ATOI:

Sieges 20:06 of which 17:49 was at Even Strength
Hughes 19:59 of which 16:44 was at Even Strength
Graves 19:57 of which 17:29 was at Even Strength

Graves was relied on slightly more on the PK than Siegs and only Hughes got any PP Time

Graves > Zadorov

Markstrom sucks. He had a decent Jan/Feb at which time he should have been dealt to NJD. He sucked all of last season and wasn’t anything great after the Trade Deadline. It’s time to move on from Markstrom who clearly wants a change of scenery

Give Wolf regular games and a Healthy Vladar another chance and they likely do just as well as Markstrom who constantly gave up easy and 1st shot on net goals and/or left the net or gave it away leading to a turnover goal. He sucks and needs to be moved out ASAP

You should give Weegar, Kadri, Coleman, Sharangovich, Zary and Pospisil more credit for not finishing lower. Both Huberdeau & Kuzmenko showed moments of brilliance this season as well

Flames are still just a Markstrom gone and couple pieces away from being back to where they were and even if we currently don’t have a 1C or “SuperStar”, we can win with a better balanced lineup that can roll all 4 lines and adding a couple quality Shut Down Defensemen to replace Hanifin & Tanev

Yeah, Markstrom sucks. Can’t wait for him to leave the organization. Can’t happen soon enough AFAIC

I'm not even referring to Hughes. Marino, Severson, and Hamilton all played more ATOI. Graves is very mid, he is fine but far from a reliable 1st pair guy.

You are completely wrong about Markstrom. He had a very good October - December and an amazing January/February. His March/April was not strong but to say he sucks is flat out wrong. This is not up for debate.

I am not saying Wolf + Vladar won't be fine but it won't be nearly as good.

I think you are vastly underrating he w good Hanifin is and how badly the loss of him will affect us. I am not arguing that those other players played well but it's a very safe bet Sharangovich and Coleman are going to have a drop off in S% next year.

I was talking/comparing Left Handed/Sided Defensemen

@MoxNix. What do you think of Markstrom!?

Hanifin was decent but he’s gone now and signed for $7.35mil. Weegar’s his replacement actually, so now we need Kylington to step up and a Big Gritty Shut Down guy to replace Zadorov.

Graves would do that and is better than Zadorov in every way, he’d be a better fit and I’m confident would do better in CGY than PIT. Find me a Bigger & Better UFA who will sign in CGY and for no more than $4.5mil/yr

OEL is an option but he’s smaller and older, so is Kulikov
Dillon very likely gets more than $4.5mil/yr and is 34 in Nov
Doubt Giordano of TJ Brodie return to CGY. Both are even smaller & older and do we want them back? Doubtful
Wanna Bring Zadorov back? I personally don’t
Cole & Edmundson both suck
Scandella or Forbort maybe? That’d be scraping the bottom of the barrel AFAIC. Better to try Gilbert, Solovyov, Okhotiuk, Hanley or Grushnikov

After considering everything and not thinking of another Trade Target other than Jake Middleton, Graves with term at just $4.5mil/yr seems like a decent move to me. Sure he’s know Hanifin, but he’s not far off while only having 60% of Hanifin’s Cap Hit. Hanifin is for sure the Better & Faster Skater, but Graves brings more Size and Grit. Kylington will be the Skater and Graves will be the Muscle and Weegar does both, just a bit slower and smaller

I thought Weegar might be best with Miromanov, but you could always go:

Weegar-Andersson
Graves-Miromanov
Kylington-Tanev/Hakanpaa/Myers/Pachal/Brown

I think we need help on Defence the most and Wolf, Vladar & Raanta can battle it out between the pipes. I thought Raanta might be a good AHL Mentor for our new Finish Goalie Signing if he didn’t make the Team out of Training Camp or obviously a Mentor to Wolf and/or Vladar if he did and we carried 3 Goalies till we figured out which 2 to keep on

As you should know very well by now I don't think much of Markstrom. Never have, I always thought he was was overrated however that's not how most fans and hockey pundits view him. To many he's an elite goalie.

Graves' contract is about 2 years too long to fit into Calgary's future plans unless he comes with 20-25% retention. I'd take Zadorov back on a short term contract under 4 mil AAV too. Out of the rest of the names you mentioned that aren't already on the Flames the only one I'd have any interest in is Dillon but he probably gets too much money on his next contract.

Also I'd rather get a guy like Chychrun (provided he comes with an extension) and move Weegar back to the right side.

Lol idk why is posted it twice

I personally like the duclair signing idk why a lot of people don’t. I am also not a fan of Rooney lol but I would think Toronto would want a late round pick for calle and I don’t see the flames having interest in him again. I don’t like the graves contract. And don’t know how much tanev would want to come back even tho I’d love him to come back. And i personally would like to see a kuzmenko trade if he wants more than 5-6 years on his next contract and also a mangi trade even tho i like the advanced stats that Mangi Coleman and backlund line provides but i want to see some younger players getting more responsible from playing with backs and colesy like a cornato or a Pelletier Porier I would like to see with the big club but unfortunately that injury probably derailed his chances for another season. And in this deal what are we getting for marky?

Thanks for the comment and input!

Wasn’t proposing any real Trade Values, those are just the guys I personally think are expendable

Markstrom should have been Traded to NJD at the Deadline; whatevs. Not sure what he’ll fetch now, but I’m sure we’ll have to retain on him to get a quality return. LAK might be desperate for an improvement in Goal if EDM bounces them out in the 1st Round here right away

Graves will be 33 just turning 34 when his deal expires, which isn’t particularly old for a Defensemen and there’s always the chance he gets moved when he’s 32 in the final year of his contract. With the Cap Increasing and it becoming difficult to find Top-4 Defencemen for under $5mil and the fact we paid Zadorov $3.75mil/yr to play 3LD, I have no issue with Graves’s contract at all. It’s forwards whose games tend to fall off more quickly after turning 30. Defensemen and Goaltenders usually are fine till they’re 35