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Créé par: Borocop
Équipe: 2024-25 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Date de création initiale: 13 avr. 2024
Publié: 13 avr. 2024
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
23 500 000 $
21 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
44 500 000 $
22 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
OTT
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel (2 000 000 $ retained)
STL
  1. Greig, Ridly
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (OTT)
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3.
VGK
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (OTT)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2087 500 000 $86 901 548 $850 000 $682 500 $598 452 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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8 205 714 $8 205 714 $
AG
UFA - 4
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8 350 000 $8 350 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
3 800 000 $3 800 000 $
AG, AD, C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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7 950 000 $7 950 000 $
C
UFA - 6
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4 975 000 $4 975 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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894 167 $894 167 $
AG
RFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C
RFA
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2 950 000 $2 950 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
AG
RFA
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825 000 $825 000 $ (Bonis de performance82 500 $$82K)
C
RFA - 2
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835 000 $835 000 $
C, AD
RFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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4 600 000 $4 600 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
5 375 000 $5 375 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
8 050 000 $8 050 000 $
DG
UFA - 8
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
UFA
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA
Logo de Sénateurs d'Ottawa
916 667 $916 667 $ (Bonis de performance600 000 $$600K)
DG
RFA - 1
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2 750 000 $2 750 000 $
DD
UFA - 4

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13 avr. à 16 h 30
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Nah wouldn’t trade Greig for a guy we need to sign at 8+ mill from ages 30 to 37
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Nah wouldn’t trade Greig for a guy we need to sign at 8+ mill from ages 30 to 37


Tbf the cap is estimated to be like 93500000 when he'd have to be re-signed.
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13 avr. à 16 h 35
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Nah wouldn’t trade Greig for a guy we need to sign at 8+ mill from ages 30 to 37


i think he would be worthwhile to go after though. Girouxs not going to be here forever
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13 avr. à 16 h 41
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I think the blues would consider it.
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13 avr. à 16 h 45
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i think he would be worthwhile to go after though. Girouxs not going to be here forever


It really comes down to if Staios etc wants to compete right now or wait a bit longer. On paper that top 9 is disgusting, defense is completely fixed and goaltending is better than right now so there's no way that roster isn't a playoff team.
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13 avr. à 16 h 48
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Quoting: StutzlesNumber1Fan
It really comes down to if Staios etc wants to compete right now or wait a bit longer. On paper that top 9 is disgusting, defense is completely fixed and goaltending is better than right now so there's no way that roster isn't a playoff team.


i’m a huge greig guy but for buch he’s expendable imo
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13 avr. à 16 h 52
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i’m a huge greig guy but for buch he’s expendable imo


I agree but it's also putting a lot of faith into Norris which is scary.
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It really comes down to if Staios etc wants to compete right now or wait a bit longer. On paper that top 9 is disgusting, defense is completely fixed and goaltending is better than right now so there's no way that roster isn't a playoff team.


The bottom 6 looks awful
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13 avr. à 16 h 58
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The bottom 6 looks awful


Jarventie and the bottom pair yes agreed. Them mfs can get 6 mins a night
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13 avr. à 17 h 1
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Other than the White cloud deal, these trades are HORRIBLE for the Sens (sorry)
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I agree but it's also putting a lot of faith into Norris which is scary.


i don’t think we have a choice given the money he’s due to be honest
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Jarventie and the bottom pair yes agreed. Them mfs can get 6 mins a night


Quoting: csick
The bottom 6 looks awful


If jarventie is the biggest question mark in the bottom 6 I think that’s something I could live with. There’s still some money to work with if they want to go hunting for another good bottom 6 player
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If jarventie is the biggest question mark in the bottom 6 I think that’s something I could live with. There’s still some money to work with if they want to go hunting for another good bottom 6 player


Nic Dowd is someone I think would make a lot of sense if we can pry him off the Capitals. Maybe something around Brannstrom?
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Nic Dowd is someone I think would make a lot of sense if we can pry him off the Capitals. Maybe something around Brannstrom?


he would be a great add
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Greig is nice, but not really a need. This offer has okay value, but it's not the right value.
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if OTT retained 50% on Forsberg I think the penguins would consider it.
As it is now you are asking PIT to take in an extra 2 mil in cap. That's not gonna happen.
But if OTT retained 50% Pit could bury him in the AHL and let him help mentor their Russian goalie next year and it becomes pretty much cap neutral.
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Chych has far far far more value than jarry ,staios would be fired for doing that trade, Jarry is a at best a barely average G...
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if OTT retained 50% on Forsberg I think the penguins would consider it.
As it is now you are asking PIT to take in an extra 2 mil in cap. That's not gonna happen.
But if OTT retained 50% Pit could bury him in the AHL and let him help mentor their Russian goalie next year and it becomes pretty much cap neutral.


I dont think I could retain. i think Chycrun holds more value than Jarry imo and to get them closer I have the pens taking on a backup G. If you wanted me to retain on eiter chychrun or Forsberg i could but the pens would need to add
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Chych has far far far more value than jarry ,staios would be fired for doing that trade, Jarry is a at best a barely average G...


yeah i know but what would the pens add to make it worthwhile, thats what i mean when im spitballing
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I dont think I could retain. i think Chycrun holds more value than Jarry imo and to get them closer I have the pens taking on a backup G. If you wanted me to retain on eiter chychrun or Forsberg i could but the pens would need to add


Chychrun is a negative for both teams here.
Neither team wants to hold that cap. It's simply a swap of cap. Pens need another high priced defenseman like they need Crosby to retire.
You want to move out 7.35 for 5.375 and act like it's a steal.
It's not.
I'm asking a 1.375 to balance the cap out more. If you can't, sorry, don't have the cap space to do it. Pens got other needs like finding better forwards in FA.
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Chychrun is a negative for both teams here.
Neither team wants to hold that cap. It's simply a swap of cap. Pens need another high priced defenseman like they need Crosby to retire.
You want to move out 7.35 for 5.375 and act like it's a steal.
It's not.
I'm asking a 1.375 to balance the cap out more. If you can't, sorry, don't have the cap space to do it. Pens got other needs like finding better forwards in FA.


I wasnt meaning to act as though it was a steal, but I thought to go from Jarry-Ned in goal Ned-Forsberg would be worth adding Chychrun and 1.3m in cap. If theres not a value on Chychrun then it would kind of nullify any kind of deal centered around these 3
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Quoting: LuckyMoneyPuck
Chychrun is a negative for both teams here.
Neither team wants to hold that cap. It's simply a swap of cap. Pens need another high priced defenseman like they need Crosby to retire.
You want to move out 7.35 for 5.375 and act like it's a steal.
It's not.
I'm asking a 1.375 to balance the cap out more. If you can't, sorry, don't have the cap space to do it. Pens got other needs like finding better forwards in FA.


Sens can if you add picks. If not, no deal. Simple as that.
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I wasnt meaning to act as though it was a steal, but I thought to go from Jarry-Ned in goal Ned-Forsberg would be worth adding Chychrun and 1.3m in cap. If theres not a value on Chychrun then it would kind of nullify any kind of deal centered around these 3


(You weren't acting tough, you were being realistic (and even a bit too nice towards the Pens))
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I wasnt meaning to act as though it was a steal, but I thought to go from Jarry-Ned in goal Ned-Forsberg would be worth adding Chychrun and 1.3m in cap. If theres not a value on Chychrun then it would kind of nullify any kind of deal centered around these 3


no the appeal here to both teams is moving out cap they could offload into something more useful.
Chychrun maybe more useful than Jarry to the Pens. But they don't need another high priced defenseman. It only makes sense if it's simply swapping numbers on the cap.
Not taking an extra 2 mil back.
Just like for OTT, it wouldn't make sens if I said, Chychrun for Jarry and Smith.
The cap doesn't work out for you.
You are better off just offering Jarry for Chychrun , both teams swap cap they want out for cap that could be more useful and not include Forsberg at all.
Just send him down to the AHL and save 1 mil on his cap.

See the pens don't need to dump Jarry. But if they did it has to work for them, not rack up their cap to benefit OTT.
It's like saying take Chychrun for 7 mil per, when they got EK at 10, Letang at 6, Graves at 4.5 and MP at 4.
There is no way. That cap number has to come down as they then spend to keep Ned which probably cost 2.5 or so and you are looking at 9.5 in cap to bring in another defenseman that is a luxury.
But if in the end it costs 4.6 for Chychrun and 2.5 for Ned, then it's not as bad and like adding a 2mil defenseman which isn't so much a over priced luxury.
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I wasnt meaning to act as though it was a steal, but I thought to go from Jarry-Ned in goal Ned-Forsberg would be worth adding Chychrun and 1.3m in cap. If theres not a value on Chychrun then it would kind of nullify any kind of deal centered around these 3


also they wouldn't add Forsberg in net, he would go to the AHL. They have Blom next year as back up and the russian coming to play the AHL. They don't need a backup.
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